From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: describe-bindings: ^L, bad order, naming Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 06:40:05 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4373BDF2.90106@student.lu.se> <5B24B171-FABB-40C4-90C8-248240E4EF8B@gmail.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1131943307 962 80.91.229.2 (14 Nov 2005 04:41:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:41:47 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 14 05:41:37 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EbW9k-0006Vz-I9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 05:41:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EbW9j-0005OH-S6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:41:23 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EbW8U-0004q7-8O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:40:06 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EbW8R-0004op-U0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:40:05 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EbW8Q-0004o9-JM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:40:02 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.66] (helo=romy.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EbW8Q-0006hv-Kv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:40:02 -0500 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-80-230-15-81.inter.net.il [80.230.15.81]) by romy.inter.net.il (MOS 3.5.8-GR) with ESMTP id CZB03383 (AUTH halo1); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 06:39:58 +0200 (IST) Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from Miles Bader on Mon, 14 Nov 2005 09:10:42 +0900) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:45935 Archived-At: > Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 09:10:42 +0900 > From: Miles Bader > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > 2005/11/14, David Reitter : > > It's the concept that counts, and none of the merit is taken away > > from Emacs if the term denotating the concept changes. > > No of course not. But the name shortcuts is misleading, a bit ugly, > and annoying for Emacs veterans (because it drops a familar term for > something that's not particularly nice); morever it hasn't been shown > to be so newbie unfriendly as to warrant _that_ much concern > > There can be aids to understanding (entries in the glossary etc, > tweaks here and there) but I think it's pretty clear that Emacs is > _not_ going to adopt the term "shortcuts". > > "Bindings" may not the most popular term (and GNU is not the most > popular OS), but it's certainly good enough. I still didn't see any real objections to mention "keyboard shortcuts" in the help message for that menu item. Anyone? Or should I go out and do that now?