From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Meanness Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:22:56 +0300 Message-ID: References: <20080726081019.GB1419@muc.de> <85fxpw1sx4.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217093035 10913 80.91.229.12 (26 Jul 2008 17:23:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:23:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ams@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 26 19:24:44 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KMnVa-0003mN-QL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:24:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51306 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMnUg-0001Cl-U1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:23:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMnU4-0000t2-Hv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:23:08 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMnU3-0000sY-R2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:23:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39061 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMnU3-0000sU-L3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:23:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout2.012.net.il ([84.95.2.4]:9097) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KMnTu-0000BJ-Pq; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:22:59 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.127.123.9]) by i_mtaout2.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0K4M00D7AIYC7FM1@i_mtaout2.012.net.il>; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:23:01 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <85fxpw1sx4.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 9.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101548 Archived-At: > From: David Kastrup > Cc: ams@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:01:11 +0200 > > > As long as Emacs is not sold to Microsoft nor bundled with it out of > > the box, no one can claim that I'm improving non-free operating > > systems. > > Does that mean that you would not work on supporting Bash on Windows > since a Bash port has been sold to Microsoft by Interix and is being > distributed by Microsoft as part of SFU (Services for Unix)? The same > appears to hold for GNU file and text utilities, and certainly for the > "GNU SDK" including GCC. If working on these tools is okay for their GNU maintainers, it's probably okay for me as well. > But that's missing the point. Of course free software will also get > used and employed on proprietary systems. It is one consequence of > their freedom. The question was whether we should make it _our_ focus, > the focus of the GNU project. You are missing the point. _My_ focus is making _my_ life easier on all the platforms on which I need to work. Because I like others benefit from what I'm doing, I contribute that to the GNU Project. I think that helps the GNU Project move forward, and I have numerous proofs that GNU maintainers indeed think so, because some of them actually told me so in person, even though they knew exactly what platforms I work on. No one said that the GNU Project should actively try to win the Windows applications niche. But there's a world of difference between that and publicly bashing contributors who happen to work on Windows or other non-free platforms most of their workdays.