From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: File menu changes (suggestions) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:20:23 +0200 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1119855682 1458 80.91.229.2 (27 Jun 2005 07:01:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:01:22 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 27 09:01:20 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DmnbW-0007lu-Ss for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:00:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dmnj7-0000wT-3L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 03:08:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dmn6m-0003h9-V2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 02:28:45 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dmn6i-0003cr-41 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 02:28:36 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dmn6f-0003PL-VB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 02:28:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.24] (helo=legolas.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dmn3E-0005Mo-3Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 02:25:00 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-83-130-242-224.inter.net.il [83.130.242.224]) by legolas.inter.net.il (MOS 3.5.8-GR) with ESMTP id ESN40716 (AUTH halo1); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:20:24 +0300 (IDT) Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-reply-to: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:39623 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:39623 > From: "Drew Adams" > Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 16:13:02 -0700 > > For a new name for "New File", recent discussion has included candidates > Visit New File and New File Buffer. > > As I said in my original post, which started this, the problem here is > "New". The best name for this Emacs operation is, as in the past, "Open". I > gave reasons previously. What I say below will probably be ignored, but I feel I must say it anyway. The current discussion and the suggested changes is nothing more than a regress: we are slowly going back to the less compatible names and structure we had before Emacs 21.1 hit the streets. I think we should leave the menus alone. It took a lot of work to come to what we have now, the result exists for quite some time, and it didn't make users unhappy. As they say, the enemy of "good" is "better". And on top of that, now is not the time. Let's leave any changes in the menus for Emacs 23, which will have changes anyway, due to Unicode.