From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Patrick Anderson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: reconsider defaults custom group Date: 03 Jan 2003 16:45:21 -0700 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1041637873 15634 80.91.224.249 (3 Jan 2003 23:51:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 23:51:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: alex@emacswiki.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18UbaY-00042r-00 for ; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 00:50:54 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18UbdO-0006WO-00 for ; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 00:53:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18Ubap-0006Qa-06 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2003 18:51:11 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18UbZw-00062Y-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2003 18:50:16 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18UbZs-0005y3-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2003 18:50:14 -0500 Original-Received: from c7ns3.center7.com ([216.250.142.14] helo=mail.center7.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18UbZr-0005tp-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2003 18:50:11 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 6285 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2003 23:50:05 -0000 Original-Received: from webmail.altiris.com (192.41.67.3) by 0 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2003 23:50:05 -0000 Original-Received: from webmail.altiris.com ([172.16.0.5]) by webmail.altiris.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:50:08 -0700 Original-Received: from WIKI.altiris.com ([172.16.5.89]) by webmail.altiris.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:50:07 -0700 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 Original-Lines: 230 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2003 23:50:07.0923 (UTC) FILETIME=[D880B830:01C2B382] Original-cc: rms@gnu.org Original-cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:10447 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:10447 please see http://emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?PopularOptions for the most recent community-changed results. -----Original Message----- From: Kim F. Storm [mailto:no-spam@cua.dk] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 5:19 PM To: Patrick Anderson Cc: rms@gnu.org; alex@emacswiki.org; emacs-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: reconsider defaults custom group Patrick Anderson writes: > > I think this is useful, but I agree that `reconsider-defaults'' is a > > strange and unnatural name for it. `basic'' or `popular-options'' would > > be much better. > > > > Do you think some of these options should have different defaults? Would > > you like to propose 4 options to change the defauls of? > > (If you told me a long list, I could not think about them all.) > Below is the list copied from the URL above. It has this intro: emacs can be difficult to use out of the box this is mostly for those climbing the steep curve of this religion please sort by severity I personally agree that several of the listed options could have better defaults for the novice (and expert) emacs user. * confirm-kill-emacs * global-font-lock-mode * iswitchb-mode * ido-mode (new in 21.4) * cua-mode (new in 21.4) * auto-compression-mode * suggest-key-bindings * transient-mark-mode * dired-recursive-copies * dired-recursive-deletes * blink-cursor * x-stretch-cursor * show-paren-mode * show-trailing-whitespace * desktop-enable * display-time-mode * display-time-day-and-date * display-time-format * display-time-mode * hs-isearch-open * view-diary-entries-initially * apropos-do-all * winner-mode * tab-stop-list * tab-width * enable-recursive-minibuffers * woman-use-own-frame * blink-cursor-delay * blink-cursor-interval * blink-matching-paren-dont-ignore-comments * eol-mnemonic-mac * eol-mnemonic-undecided * eol-mnemonic-unix * archive-zip-use-pkzip * auto-save-list-file-prefix * user-full-name * user-mail-address * global-hl-line-mode * bookmark-bmenu-toggle-filenames * bookmark-sort-flag * browse-url-browser-function * c-default-style * c-echo-syntactic-information-p * c-mode-common-hook * case-fold-search * column-number-mode * completion-ignored-extensions * delete-selection-mode * diary-file * diary-hook * dired-at-point-require-prefix * ediff-diff-options * ediff-window-setup-function * emacs-lisp-mode-hook * emacs-wiki-downcase-title-words * emacs-wiki-highlight-markup * eshell-buffer-maximum-lines * eshell-cmpl-man-function * eshell-directory-name * eshell-force-execution * eshell-group-file * eshell-hosts-file * eshell-interpreter-alist * eshell-ls-archive-regexp * eshell-ls-dired-initial-args * eshell-ls-highlight-alist * eshell-ls-initial-args * eshell-ls-product-regexp * eshell-ls-use-in-dired * eshell-passwd-file * eshell-send-direct-to-subprocesses * flyspell-default-dictionary * font-lock-maximum-size * generic-define-unix-modes * gnus-asynchronous * gnus-default-directory * gnus-group-list-inactive-groups * gnus-home-directory * gnus-large-newsgroup * gnus-message-archive-group * gnus-use-cache * gnus-use-dribble-file * gud-cdb-directories * gud-chdir-before-run * hi-lock-mode * highlight-changes-active-string * highlight-changes-global-changes-existing-buffers * highlight-changes-passive-string * hippie-expand-try-functions-list ;(define-key global-map [(meta ?/)] 'hippie-expand) * htmlize-html-major-mode * isearch-lazy-highlight-cleanup * isearch-lazy-highlight-initial-delay * isearch-lazy-highlight-max-at-a-time * ls-lisp-emulation * ls-lisp-ignore-case * ls-lisp-verbosity * mail-host-address * mail-source-crash-box * mail-source-directory * mail-user-agent * make-backup-files * mark-diary-entries-in-calendar * mark-holidays-in-calendar * max-specpdl-size * message-directory * message-log-max * message-send-mail-function * mmm-global-mode * mmm-major-mode-preferences * mmm-mode-ext-classes-alist * mode-line-format * mouse-wheel-mode * next-line-add-newlines * next-screen-context-lines * nnmail-message-id-cache-file * parens-require-spaces * read-quoted-char-radix * resize-minibuffer-mode * scroll-bar-mode * scroll-preserve-screen-position * send-mail-function * shell-file-name * smtpmail-auth-credentials * smtpmail-debug-info * smtpmail-default-smtp-server * smtpmail-local-domain * smtpmail-queue-dir * smtpmail-smtp-server * tags-revert-without-query * tramp-debug-buffer * uniquify-buffer-name-style * url-cache-directory * url-cookie-file * url-global-history-file * url-global-history-save-interval * url-keep-history * vc-default-back-end * w3m-bookmark-file * w3m-default-save-directory * w3m-fill-column * w3m-key-binding * w3m-local-directory-view-method * w3m-search-default-engine * w3m-use-header-line * ange-ftp-dumb-unix-host-regexp * ange-ftp-generate-anonymous-password * appt-message-warning-time