From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Printing Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 20:56:35 +0300 Message-ID: References: <5f0660120903280331y780c80b7i57a8115dc4b029eb@mail.gmail.com> <5f0660120903281352v5d7ab83cy44fcff3cbf4581cb@mail.gmail.com> <87ljqnkvn9.fsf@jehiel.elehack.net> <49D2EC89.3000508@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1238608775 19872 80.91.229.12 (1 Apr 2009 17:59:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 17:59:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: michael@elehack.net, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jason Rumney Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 01 20:00:53 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Lp4jx-0002p8-My for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 20:00:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33264 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Lp4ia-0005sA-3E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 13:59:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Lp4i0-0005Hb-3U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 13:58:40 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Lp4hy-0005Fy-P0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 13:58:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=55394 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Lp4hy-0005Fp-Go for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 13:58:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout2.012.net.il ([84.95.2.4]:28207) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Lp4hv-0000hc-DD; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 13:58:35 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.i_mtaout2.012.net.il by i_mtaout2.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) id <0KHF00B00OBY6A00@i_mtaout2.012.net.il>; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 20:58:34 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.127.171.54]) by i_mtaout2.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0KHF00BL6OLKDNO0@i_mtaout2.012.net.il>; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 20:58:34 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <49D2EC89.3000508@gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 9.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:109969 Archived-At: > Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:24:41 +0800 > From: Jason Rumney > CC: Stefan Monnier , michael@elehack.net, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > > The problem is that the way Emacs renders text, even in GUI toolkits, is > based more on the way text is rendered on tty devices than on the > standard way of rendering text in the GUI toolkit. That does make it > somewhat harder to teach Emacs to render to a printer than it is for > other native GTK, NS or Windows apps. Perhaps we could use some third-party library that does the hard work. > FWIW, I agree that printing would be better done that way, but given the > complications of understanding and modifying the existing redisplay > code, it will probably be another 10 years before it is ps-mule was introduced 10 years ago, and we are still basically in the same place as far as non-ASCII printing is concerned. So obviously it's not like ps-print is going to get better in that area tomorrow.