From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: National Language Support Functions Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 17:39:59 +0200 Message-ID: References: <458AB581.7090303@student.lu.se> <459536C5.4090503@gmail.com> <45957190.9030801@student.lu.se> <45957F23.8040409@gmail.com> <45958D3B.4060207@gmail.com> <45959540.407@gmail.com> <4595AF66.2030602@gmail.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1167493226 17486 80.91.229.12 (30 Dec 2006 15:40:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 15:40:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 30 16:40:26 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1H0gJt-0000gA-KP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 16:40:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H0gJt-00054z-5H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 10:40:25 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1H0gJZ-00052f-9L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 10:40:05 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1H0gJW-000514-Vn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 10:40:03 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H0gJV-00050e-6c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 10:40:01 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.66] (helo=romy.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H0gJU-0005c4-M8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 10:40:00 -0500 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-84-229-225-74.inter.net.il [84.229.225.74]) by romy.inter.net.il (MOS 3.7.3-GA) with ESMTP id GRE21349 (AUTH halo1); Sat, 30 Dec 2006 17:39:58 +0200 (IST) Original-To: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" In-reply-to: <4595AF66.2030602@gmail.com> (lennart.borgman@gmail.com) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:64494 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 01:14:30 +0100 > From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > >> The low level keyboard hook that allows Emacs to use the left and right > >> windows keys as Emacs meta key should in my opinion be a very > >> uncontroversial issue. > > > > That's quite a weird claim. On one hand you're championing Windows UI > > guidelines compliance; on the other, you want Emacs to steal one of > > the Windows keys, which is an uncommon thing for Windows programs to > > do. Win+R or Win+E do execute Run and Windows Explorer even if typed > > inside Notepad or Microsoft Word. > > What a you trying to say? That the ability to use those keys as meta > should be ruled out because it brakes the Windows UI guidelines? If I > had a better choice I would take it. So it's okay to break the praised ``Windows guidelines'' when _you_ think there's no better solution, but it is _not_ okay when others think following those guidelines makes more harm than help? That's a funny way of presenting a coherent case, I'd say. > > I looked at your low-level hook code once; it wasn't scary. It was > > just complex for little gain. > > There is simply no other way to do it. Then I say let's not do it at all.