From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: MAINTAINERS file Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:02:45 +0200 Message-ID: References: <18375.18663.981150.252393@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <87od9wt19m.fsf@elegiac.orebokech.com> <87tzjnvjhc.fsf@red-bean.com> <87zlte3848.fsf@ambire.localdomain> <877igipc17.fsf@jbms.ath.cx> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1204660998 26212 80.91.229.12 (4 Mar 2008 20:03:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 20:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jeremy Maitin-Shepard Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 04 21:03:43 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JWdMU-0000PY-EP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:03:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JWdLx-0007uK-Db for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:03:09 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JWdLs-0007tp-KP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:03:04 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JWdLq-0007sb-82 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:03:03 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JWdLq-0007sT-04 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:03:02 -0500 Original-Received: from heller.inter.net.il ([213.8.233.23]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JWdLo-00059L-LH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:03:01 -0500 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-80-230-9-148.inter.net.il [80.230.9.148]) by heller.inter.net.il (MOS 3.7.3a-GA) with ESMTP id FEK07861 (AUTH halo1); Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:02:44 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <877igipc17.fsf@jbms.ath.cx> (message from Jeremy Maitin-Shepard on Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:41:24 -0500) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.7-5.2 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.4) (2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:91313 Archived-At: > From: Jeremy Maitin-Shepard > Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:41:24 -0500 > Cc: Juanma Barranquero , rms@gnu.org, > Emacs Devel > > Thien-Thi Nguyen writes: > > > () "Juanma Barranquero" > > () Tue, 4 Mar 2008 13:56:47 +0100 > > > Yes, I can easily imagine the faces of any vi-loving Bazaar > > developer if we asked them to drop it and use Emacs... > > > Hey, i love vi (the same way i love sunsets: from afar, w/ a nice > > cool beer on a hot day, hacking on Emacs in Emacs, head toasted > > gently by the trees tickling the brain :-) ... > > > But, i don't use bzr. I hope that 1/ the git<->bzr gateway grows > > fully-functional quickly; 2/ someone starts a GPLv3+ (able to be > > subsequently adopted by GNU) project that reads/writes git repo > > format. > > "Reads/writes git repo format" essentially means a compatible > reimplementation of git. Reimplementing git solely to be able to > license it under GPLv3 instead of GPLv2 is one of the biggest wastes of > time I've ever heard of. > > Showing "loyalty" to another GNU project by using it in > favor of an alternative that is equally free and may be technically > superior does nothing to promote free software. It promotes the GNU Project, which is one of the main players in the field of free software, because the GNU Project is, among other things, a grabbag of lots of free software. > (In fact, to the extent > that using an inferior tool may interfere with Emacs development, the > Emacs project, and consequently free software as a whole, is harmed.) I'm sure you don't want to claim that bzr is "inferior". (If you do, please provide some evidence.) No one here will want to use an inferior tool. The issue is, all things being approximately equal, which tool to choose. > Favoring projects that have the "GNU" label suggests a real motivation > of merely promoting the "GNU" name. > > You may argue that promoting the "GNU" name is important for promoting > free software, but I don't buy that. This is a misunderstanding: we are not talking about names or labels. Being a GNU package means much more than just a word in a name.