From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Oliver Scholz Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes to Texinfo DTD Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:39:27 +0100 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <8765heixvu.fsf@kanga.tapsellferrier.co.uk> <87ptfkdqss.fsf@kanga.tapsellferrier.co.uk> <20031122214251.GA14680@fencepost> <874qwuqjzw.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <200311241619.hAOGJ6W27027@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200312030147.hB31lUh20316@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <2914-Wed03Dec2003181809+0200-eliz@elta.co.il> <200312040254.hB42sjq25857@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1070531300 21465 80.91.224.253 (4 Dec 2003 09:48:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:48:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: juri@jurta.org, bob@rattlesnake.com, Luc Teirlinck , nferrier@tapsellferrier.co.uk, karl@freefriends.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 04 10:48:16 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ARq5o-0002f1-00 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:48:16 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ARq5n-0005NM-00 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:48:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ARr2O-0004cF-Pl for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 05:48:48 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1ARr1u-0004Z9-Ok for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 05:48:18 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1ARr1I-0003nm-Rv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 05:48:11 -0500 Original-Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ARr1I-0003mA-9e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 05:47:40 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 12937 invoked by uid 65534); 4 Dec 2003 09:39:33 -0000 Original-Received: from dialin-145-254-194-057.arcor-ip.net (EHLO HERMES) (145.254.194.57) by mail.gmx.net (mp005) with SMTP; 04 Dec 2003 10:39:33 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1497658 Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "04 Dec 2003 10:04:29 +0200") X-Attribution: os X-Face: "HgH2sgK|bfH$; PiOJI6|qUCf.ve<51_Od(%ynHr?=>znn#~#oS>",F%B8&\vus),2AsPYb -n>PgddtGEn}s7kH?7kH{P_~vu?]OvVN^qD(L)>G^gDCl(U9n{:d>'DkilN!_K"eNzjrtI4Ya6; Td% IZGMbJ{lawG+'J>QXPZD&TwWU@^~A}f^zAb[Ru;CT(UA]c& User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/22.0.0 (windows-nt) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:18360 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:18360 Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:54:45 -0600 (CST) >> From: Luc Teirlinck [...] > IMHO, to make this discussion useful, it needs to be conducted on a > Texinfo forum first and foremost. This is mostly because the > following item: > >> 3. Oliver Scholz has a patch to allow the standalone reader to convert >> XML to Info format "on the fly", so people would only need to have >> the XML files installed to use both Emacs Info and standalone Info. >> Oliver's patch would add some "color" to standalone Info. (Unless >> these colors would be very customizable, or maybe even if they are, >> please provide a command line option to disable this. Not >> everybody can read yellow on white, cyan on white or red on black.) > > is related to the stand-alone reader, not to Emacs (for which no > equivalent changes are available). > > Personally, I think that a move to XML is a good idea, but such a > transition would take a non-trivial period of time, during which we > will need to support installations where some or all of the manuals > are in Info format. Now that you mention it ... It is probably a better idea to implement the feature in Emacs first. So people who want it can put XML files into their /usr/local/info directories on their single-user machines and gain experiences with it. If it works as advertised, then my proposed compatibility feature could be added to standalone info afterwards. Maybe this is a more sensible road-map. [For testing this extensively, it would be nice if "makeinfo my-texinfo-source.texi" would produce XML instead of info format, dependend on the value of some environment variable. Most of my local info files have been generated by makefiles.] Oliver -- Oliver Scholz 14 Frimaire an 212 de la Révolution Taunusstr. 25 Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité! 60329 Frankfurt a. M. http://www.jungdemokratenhessen.de Tel. (069) 97 40 99 42 http://www.jdjl.org