From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: File menu changes (suggestions) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:25:05 +0200 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1119893362 18651 80.91.229.2 (27 Jun 2005 17:29:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 27 19:29:21 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DmxPm-0007eW-2r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:28:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DmxXS-0000FJ-6U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:36:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DmxPW-0003nN-SR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:28:43 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DmxPS-0003jj-Hx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:28:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DmxPR-0003cn-CY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:28:37 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.66] (helo=romy.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DmxQN-0001mE-EK; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:29:35 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-84-228-165-2.inter.net.il [84.228.165.2]) by romy.inter.net.il (MOS 3.5.8-GR) with ESMTP id BQV70963 (AUTH halo1); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:25:06 +0300 (IDT) Original-To: miles@gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from Miles Bader on Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:41:31 +0900) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:39675 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:39675 > Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:41:31 +0900 > From: Miles Bader > Cc: Miles Bader , Eli Zaretskii , rms@gnu.org, > drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > On 6/27/05, Jason Rumney wrote: > > > But it doesn't do the opposite of split-window... > > > > That's a rather pedantic definition of opposite > > No it's not (are you serious?). "Unsplit window" vaguely implies that > it simply undoes a previous split-window To me, it means that a window (``frame'' in our parlance) that was previously split into two or more parts now becomes "unsplit", i.e. we are left with a frame that has only one window. > > and dwelling on such > > pedantry when choosing menu names results in confusion for less > > experienced users, because you're removing helpful associations > > between menu entries in return for absolute correctness. > > ... and dwelling on "symmetry" when it conflicts with clarity is also > counter-productive. In many cases there is no perfect name that will > help all people form all the right associations; all we can do is try > to consider all the factors, and come up with something that results > in a minimum of confusion. I think "Unsplit" is the most associative name of all those suggested in this discussion. Perhaps we should take a user poll to see whose opinion is closer to them. Personally, I fully agree with Jason.