From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Sorting of directories in dired Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 23:21:51 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4825c0f482397d.482397d4825c0f@net.lu.se> <42CD881D.6080905@student.lu.se> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1120769253 10945 80.91.229.2 (7 Jul 2005 20:47:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:47:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: hober0@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 07 22:47:30 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DqdGg-0001QZ-BP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 22:46:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DqdI3-0007gt-V2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:48:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DqdBc-0005db-75 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:41:32 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DqdBU-0005b5-7W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:41:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DqdBT-0005Rj-23 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:41:23 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.66] (helo=romy.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dqcz9-0004gD-MT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:28:39 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-80-230-8-60.inter.net.il [80.230.8.60]) by romy.inter.net.il (MOS 3.5.8-GR) with ESMTP id BUH87885 (AUTH halo1); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 23:21:51 +0300 (IDT) Original-To: Lennart Borgman In-reply-to: <42CD881D.6080905@student.lu.se> (message from Lennart Borgman on Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:53:01 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:40590 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:40590 > Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:53:01 +0200 > From: Lennart Borgman > CC: hober0@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >And what, may I ask, do you use outside Emacs? Isn't it "ls -l"? ;-) > > > > > > > Uhm..., I have done that a couple of times... > > Sadly enough I am working mostly from the cmd shell. I have tried for > example MSYS sh, but I found that the integration with ms windows is not > good enough for me. ??? What does the shell have to do with using `ls'? You can invoke `ls' from _any_ shell running on Windows, including from cmd.exe. > That is also what I have found with my previous tries with Emacs. The > documentation has been bad on the windows side so those of us windows > only users who survive as Emacs users do that in resistance to the > resistance we meet. Everything has taken much, much time. Considering > that that time is taken from us who wants to promote free software it > seems to me to be a bad strategy not to help users on w32 as much as we > can. I think you are misreading the principle of consistent cross-platform behavior as ``resistance'' or ``a strategy not to help'' w32 users.