From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Next release Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 21:17:28 +0300 Message-ID: References: <18457.37369.262079.668907@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <5jr6clncn8.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87od7p22dw.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <200805021331.m42DVYVw016584@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200805021610.m42GAhkE001271@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200805040056.m440u3eS022727@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200805040206.m4426oct013714@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200805040658.m446wvLH012958@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1209925096 17717 80.91.229.12 (4 May 2008 18:18:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 18:18:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dan Nicolaescu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 04 20:18:51 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JsinS-0006qM-B0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 May 2008 20:18:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44694 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jsimk-0001Io-LI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 May 2008 14:18:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jsimg-0001Hi-2y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 May 2008 14:18:02 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jsimf-0001H4-8B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 May 2008 14:18:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45902 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jsimf-0001H1-52 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 May 2008 14:18:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout7.012.net.il ([84.95.2.19]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jsimf-0002Iw-Gy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 May 2008 14:18:01 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.229.228.217]) by i-mtaout7.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0K0C000FDVCU76X0@i-mtaout7.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 May 2008 21:00:30 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <200805040658.m446wvLH012958@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (1203?) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:96443 Archived-At: > From: Dan Nicolaescu > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 23:58:57 -0700 > > Can you please first get all the background before intervening? > Doing that is absolutely not helpful. > I am very disappointed, I didn't expect this from you Eli. Well, I'm sorry I disappoint you, but I still think that we should be able to discuss technical issues, even if we disagree, without non-technical words such as ``whining'' or ``pestering''. > I feel that I really need to get my name cleared here You don't need your name cleared, believe me. Your name as one of the more active contributors to Emacs development is as clear as it gets. Thank you for you past and future work! > And no, someone that has not helped that effort in any way > (i.e. Yamamoto Mitsuharu), despite being the most qualified person for > the job, has absolutely no standing to send nastygrams about it today. Sorry, but I beg to disagree. Asking developers to do a good job is a reasonable thing, and anyone who contributes to Emacs is in a position to do that. As someone who did the job that is being criticized, you can, of course, disagree, but please let's try not to make this personal. > I am puzzled about the motivation to even bring this up today in an > unrelated discussion. Well, I think if you re-read what you just wrote (and I omitted), the motivation will be clear. > Now can we please stop this? That's what I was asking: to stop.