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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Next release
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 21:17:28 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ud4o2vsqv.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200805040658.m446wvLH012958@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu>

> From: Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu>
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 23:58:57 -0700
> 
> Can you please first get all the background before intervening?  
> Doing that is absolutely not helpful.  
> I am very disappointed, I didn't expect this from you Eli.

Well, I'm sorry I disappoint you, but I still think that we should be
able to discuss technical issues, even if we disagree, without
non-technical words such as ``whining'' or ``pestering''.

> I feel that I really need to get my name cleared here

You don't need your name cleared, believe me.  Your name as one of the
more active contributors to Emacs development is as clear as it gets.
Thank you for you past and future work!

> And no, someone that has not helped that effort in any way
> (i.e. Yamamoto Mitsuharu), despite being the most qualified person for
> the job, has absolutely no standing to send nastygrams about it today.

Sorry, but I beg to disagree.  Asking developers to do a good job is a
reasonable thing, and anyone who contributes to Emacs is in a position
to do that.  As someone who did the job that is being criticized, you
can, of course, disagree, but please let's try not to make this
personal.

> I am puzzled about the motivation to even bring this up today in an
> unrelated discussion.

Well, I think if you re-read what you just wrote (and I omitted), the
motivation will be clear.

> Now can we please stop this?

That's what I was asking: to stop.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-05-04 18:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-01  9:48 Next release Nick Roberts
2008-05-01 10:32 ` Jason Rumney
2008-05-01 23:07   ` Nick Roberts
2008-05-02  0:04     ` Jason Rumney
2008-05-01 17:43 ` Glenn Morris
2008-05-01 19:52   ` David Kastrup
2008-05-01 20:30   ` Chong Yidong
2008-05-02  1:00     ` Glenn Morris
2008-05-02  6:48     ` CHENG Gao
2008-05-03  1:00       ` Bob
2008-05-03  8:09       ` Richard M Stallman
2008-05-03  9:22         ` CHENG Gao
2008-05-03  9:49           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-03 18:59             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-03 19:08               ` Glenn Morris
2008-05-03 21:42                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-04  9:37               ` Richard M Stallman
2008-05-04  9:37           ` Richard M Stallman
2008-05-06  0:38       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-23 20:18         ` Problems preloading x-win.el (was: Next release) Stefan Monnier
2008-05-23 21:54           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-05-24  2:22             ` Problems preloading x-win.el Stefan Monnier
2008-05-24  3:19           ` Problems preloading x-win.el (was: Next release) YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-02 13:31     ` Next release Dan Nicolaescu
2008-05-02 13:52       ` Jason Rumney
2008-05-02 15:24       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-02 16:10         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-05-03  9:38           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-03 19:05             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-04  0:56             ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-05-04  1:25               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-04  1:40                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-04  1:57                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-04  3:21                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-04  5:07                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-04 15:52                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-05  1:28                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-05  5:48                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-04 21:35                         ` Chong Yidong
2008-05-04 23:52                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-05  0:56                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-05  7:43                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-05-07 18:28                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-07 19:13                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-08  1:26                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-08  8:22                                       ` Jason Rumney
2008-05-08  8:32                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-05-08  9:04                                           ` David Reitter
2008-05-08 10:40                                             ` Jan Djärv
2008-05-08 10:55                                               ` Miles Bader
2008-05-10  8:55                                               ` Richard M Stallman
2008-05-10 20:30                                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-05-10 23:53                                                   ` David Reitter
2008-05-08  9:06                                           ` Miles Bader
2008-05-08  9:22                                             ` Jason Rumney
2008-05-08  9:35                                               ` Miles Bader
2008-05-08  9:44                                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-05-08 19:47                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-05-08 20:56                                                     ` David Kastrup
2008-05-09  0:52                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-09  1:04                                                         ` Miles Bader
2008-05-09  6:07                                                         ` Tassilo Horn
2008-05-09  7:02                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-08  9:51                                                 ` Jason Rumney
2008-05-08 10:08                                                   ` David Kastrup
2008-05-08 10:16                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-08 10:36                                                   ` David Kastrup
2008-05-09 23:54                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-05-08  9:45                                               ` David Kastrup
2008-05-08 10:04                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-08 13:51                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-08 13:57                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-05-08 14:50                                               ` Miles Bader
2008-05-09 11:12                                                 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-05-08  9:32                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-08 13:46                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-08  2:34                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-05-09  1:35                                   ` Tool-bar changes (Was: Next release) Chong Yidong
2008-05-09  3:25                                     ` Tool-bar changes Stefan Monnier
2008-05-09  5:53                                       ` Tassilo Horn
2008-05-13 18:07                                     ` Chong Yidong
2008-05-13 18:19                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-13 18:38                                         ` David Reitter
2008-05-13 19:06                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-14  2:17                                       ` Chong Yidong
2008-05-14  4:28                                         ` Chong Yidong
2008-05-14  4:47                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-14 19:30                                             ` Chong Yidong
2008-05-14 20:50                                               ` Chong Yidong
2008-05-15  1:10                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-06  0:40                               ` Next release YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-04 21:23                     ` Chong Yidong
2008-05-05  0:44                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-05-04  2:06                 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-05-04  4:21                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-04  6:58                     ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-05-04  8:15                       ` David Kastrup
2008-05-04 18:17                       ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2008-05-04 18:59                         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-05-04 20:31                           ` Thomas Lord
2008-05-04  7:36                     ` David Kastrup
2008-05-04 16:00                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-04 14:34                     ` Jason Rumney
2008-05-02 21:13     ` Richard M Stallman
2008-05-02 21:32       ` Chong Yidong
2008-05-03  0:11         ` Glenn Morris
2008-05-03 14:49           ` Chong Yidong
2008-05-03 17:02             ` Alex
2008-05-03 21:00         ` Richard M Stallman
2008-05-04  3:53           ` Eli Zaretskii

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