From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: Re: 23.0.50; ps-print-buffer-with-faces hangs on w32 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:59:25 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4784F452.6060202@gmail.com> <47851163.8050205@ig.com.br> <47850C39.5060905@gmail.com> <47862D83.3030709@gnu.org> <478643B8.5010903@gmail.com> <4787495A.1010200@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1200049203 14172 80.91.229.12 (11 Jan 2008 11:00:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, lennart.borgman@gmail.com To: Jason Rumney Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 11 12:00:23 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JDHcb-0005ss-Bd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:00:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JDHcD-00084V-PX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:59:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JDHbn-0007bU-Iv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:59:31 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JDHbm-0007a7-Ni for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:59:31 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JDHbm-0007Zm-GG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:59:30 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JDHbm-0001jH-8r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:59:30 -0500 Original-Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JDHbl-0007p9-P5 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:59:29 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JDHbi-0001id-Rs for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:59:29 -0500 Original-Received: from nitzan.inter.net.il ([213.8.233.22]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JDHbe-0001hK-Tp; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:59:23 -0500 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-80-230-42-152.inter.net.il [80.230.42.152]) by nitzan.inter.net.il (MOS 3.7.3a-GA) with ESMTP id IVD07222 (AUTH halo1); Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:56:51 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <4787495A.1010200@gnu.org> (message from Jason Rumney on Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:47:54 +0000) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.7-5.2 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.4) (2) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86736 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:20586 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:47:54 +0000 > From: Jason Rumney > CC: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" , > viniciusjl@ig.com.br, emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org > > Perhaps we should give up trying to make printing work out of the box on > Windows, and instead produce an error by default telling the user they > need to configure printing. That was how Emacs 21 and before worked, and I remember a huge number of FAQs on the gnu-emacs-help forum. It's much quieter now, although there's no way of knowing if that's because the default behavior of Emacs 22. Besides, what exactly would you tell the user that is helpful? > In an office environment, printers are likely to be on the network, > and the user will have to configure Emacs anyway. In a home > environment, the printer is increasingly likely to be a USB > connected inkjet or cheap laser that does not expose a character > device for Windows to map to PRN. I'd like first to try to find a way of detecting this. Any ideas? How about trying to find out what is the default printer configured by Windows, for example?