From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Ulrich Mueller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Why is emacs so square?" Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 18:34:20 +0200 Message-ID: References: <83zhbcg6s4.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="20337"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.90 (gnu/linux) Cc: Eli Zaretskii To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 15 18:35:10 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jOl0H-0005A6-OJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 18:35:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52540 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jOl0G-0000gj-QH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 12:35:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35942) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jOkzk-0000FY-3y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 12:34:36 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jOkzi-00032k-Jf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 12:34:35 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]:35677) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jOkzh-00031b-9Y; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 12:34:33 -0400 Original-Received: from themis (dslb-088-068-027-155.088.068.pools.vodafone-ip.de [88.68.27.155]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ulm) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A478C34F074; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 16:34:23 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <83zhbcg6s4.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247032 Archived-At: >>>>> On Wed, 15 Apr 2020, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> I think the difficulty here is to look "contemporary" and yet fit >> every platform Emacs is run on. Button widgets look different on >> each. Even between GUI toolkits. And change between releases. > There are only 2 variants: native buttons (provided by some toolkit) > or the ones we draw ourselves. And there's no requirement that they > all look the same, I think: they should have the look-and-feel of the > toolkit being used. Exactly, and I presume it would be somewhat hard to emulate the GTK+ look under Athena/Lucid or Motif. Also, what problem would it solve? >> The other option, of course, is to look both modern and unique, but it's >> a harder proposition, especially without a graphical designer on the >> team. And this stuff gets outdated quickly. > I think "modern and unique" is a contradiction of terms nowadays ;-) "Modern" mostly means that everything looks like half-sucked candy. Please resist that temptation. :-)