From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Sorting of directories in dired Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 00:41:12 +0200 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1120773778 22193 80.91.229.2 (7 Jul 2005 22:02:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:02:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-pretest-bug-bounces+gebp-emacs-pretest-bug=gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 08 00:02:55 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DqeSJ-0003bp-TC for gebp-emacs-pretest-bug@gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 00:02:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DqeTh-0001ny-Ke for gebp-emacs-pretest-bug@gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 18:04:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DqeRW-0000oi-JP for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 18:02:02 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DqeLd-0007eU-VO for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:55:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DqeLZ-0007Ww-25; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:55:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.66] (helo=romy.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DqeE6-0002Di-FC; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:48:10 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-84-228-140-137.inter.net.il [84.228.140.137]) by romy.inter.net.il (MOS 3.5.8-GR) with ESMTP id BUI03206 (AUTH halo1); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:41:11 +0300 (IDT) Original-To: "Drew Adams" In-reply-to: X-BeenThere: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: emacs-pretest-bug.gnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-pretest-bug-bounces+gebp-emacs-pretest-bug=gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-pretest-bug-bounces+gebp-emacs-pretest-bug=gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:8360 gmane.emacs.devel:40595 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:40595 > From: "Drew Adams" > Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:35:53 -0700 > Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org > > IOW, aside from putting directories first and not being case-sensitive, the > Windows listing also throws out the uid and gid, which don't mean a lot for > Windows. They might not mean a lot now, but that's only because no one bothered to write the code to use the Windows equivalents of uid and gid. I hope someone will, and rather sooner than later. > I'm only pointing out that the defcustom code is a bit silly, wrt Windows. It's certainly not silly on non-Windows platforms. In the past, I heard reports of people who were used to ls-lisp and loaded it on Unix. > Might as well hard-wire the values for all of these variables (on Windows), > whatever values you decide upon. That would make ls-lisp not useful on Unix. So I don't think it's a good idea. > That's not the Emacs philosophy, AFAIK. Consistent behavior across > platforms is deemed more important than consistency with other > platform-specific applications. > > OK. But then why does the code in question attempt to modify the behavior > for different platforms? The default behavior is the same. The rest are options, users are free to customize them if they wish. > The order used by Windows tools is IMHO stupid and user-unfriendly: it > assumes, for some reason, that people do not look up directories and > files together. > > Fine. It's stupid and user-unfriendly. And it's what people are used to. Some people are.