From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance... Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:23:50 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87sl5n5yem.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87fy1nbe4f.fsf@jurta.org> <86myvu2zw1.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <20070912093913.GB12104@saeurebad.de> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1189668247 6401 80.91.229.12 (13 Sep 2007 07:24:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 07:24:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: wilde@sha-bang.de, hannes@saeurebad.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 13 09:24:05 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IVj3M-0001DZ-7y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:23:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IVj3L-0003wG-UA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:23:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IVj3I-0003uu-N3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:23:52 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IVj3G-0003tI-VI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:23:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IVj3G-0003tF-MF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:23:50 -0400 Original-Received: from heller.inter.net.il ([213.8.233.23]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IVj3D-0002fw-GF; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:23:47 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([81.5.56.50]) by heller.inter.net.il (MOS 3.7.3a-GA) with ESMTP id DPP73566 (AUTH halo1); Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:23:44 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: (message from Richard Stallman on Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:52:31 -0400) X-Detected-Kernel: FreeBSD 4.7-5.2 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.4) (2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:78736 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:52:31 -0400 > Cc: juri@jurta.org, wilde@sha-bang.de, cyd@stupidchicken.com, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > > File name arguments did not implement themselves, you know; > I specifically wrote the code to implement them, even though I think > it's a bad habit. > > However, the Emacs manual encourages people not to get into that bad > habit. I think we should continue to discourage users from getting into this habit. But still, if the user did type "emacs FILE", it is IMO bad behavior to show them the splash screen instead. It looks like breaking the contract with the users: they asked us to display the file, not the splash screen. The fact that the file is displayed in half the frame, and the fact that there's a Dismiss button, don't help much, IMO. There are a few other GUI programs out there which behave like this: i.e. request me to click some button to make the splash screen go away. They always annoy me. If we don't restore the original Emacs behavior of making the splash screen go away (which I think we should), at least let's pop it up in a separate frame, so that it doesn't get in the way of the file the user asked to edit.