From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: mail@justinbogner.com
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Functions in kill-emacs-hook aren't run if emacs gets killed with SIGTERM
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:05:40 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <uab9iut0r.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87mydircn0.fsf@justinbogner.com>
> From: mail@justinbogner.com
> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:15:30 -0700
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> >> From: Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org>
> >> Is SIGTERM really such a fatal signal as you say? I always believed
> >> SIGTERM meant "shutdown, but do it cleanly" whereas SIGKILL meant "Die!
> >> Die! Die! NOW!".
> >
> > No, the reason is that SIGKILL cannot be caught or ignored, whereas
> > SIGTERM can. Which has the practical effect that you mention, but
> > it's IMO important to understand the underlying reason.
>
> I don't understand what you're trying to say. The reason that SIGKILL
> cannot be ignored is that it means "Die! Die! Die! NOW!", and the reason
> that SIGTERM can is that it means "shutdown, but do it cleanly". Ie, the
> reasons and practical effects are exactly opposite of what you seem to
> be saying: could you explain in more detail?
I don't see how can I explain this in more detail, because you seem to
mix a _meaning_ (i.e. semantics, which is a human thing) with the
software implementation chosen to achieve it, which is the reason for
the immediate exit.
IOW, a meaning humans ascribe to some mechanism cannot be the reason
for what happens when that mechanism is activated.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-01-23 12:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-01-21 8:06 Functions in kill-emacs-hook aren't run if emacs gets killed with SIGTERM Tassilo Horn
2009-01-21 18:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-21 19:49 ` Tassilo Horn
2009-01-21 20:35 ` Chong Yidong
2009-01-22 9:03 ` Tassilo Horn
2009-01-21 20:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-22 4:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-22 9:00 ` Tassilo Horn
2009-01-22 18:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-23 2:15 ` mail
2009-01-23 12:05 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2009-01-22 10:08 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-01-22 18:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-23 1:52 ` Richard M Stallman
2009-01-22 14:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-22 18:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-22 21:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-23 15:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-23 15:58 ` Tassilo Horn
2009-01-23 19:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-23 19:56 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2009-01-23 22:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-23 23:00 ` Tassilo Horn
2009-01-23 23:13 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-01-24 9:04 ` Tassilo Horn
2009-01-24 9:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-24 12:34 ` Miles Bader
2009-01-24 10:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-23 20:33 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-01-23 22:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-24 4:40 ` Jason Rumney
2009-01-24 6:11 ` Miles Bader
2009-01-23 1:52 ` Richard M Stallman
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-01-23 19:01 grischka
2009-01-23 22:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-24 14:16 ` grischka
2009-01-24 16:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-24 17:56 ` grischka
2009-01-24 18:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-24 19:11 ` grischka
2009-01-24 20:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-24 20:28 ` grischka
2009-01-24 20:32 Stefan Monnier
2009-02-02 20:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-02-02 20:52 ` Tassilo Horn
2009-02-02 21:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-02-03 10:43 ` Tassilo Horn
2009-02-05 3:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-24 20:39 Stefan Monnier
2009-02-03 17:28 grischka
2009-02-05 3:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-02-05 13:31 ` grischka
2009-02-05 19:40 ` Stefan Monnier
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