From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Sorting of directories in dired Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 00:43:06 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4825c0f482397d.482397d4825c0f@net.lu.se> <42CD881D.6080905@student.lu.se> <42CD9412.5040807@student.lu.se> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1120773971 22814 80.91.229.2 (7 Jul 2005 22:06:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:06:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: hober0@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 08 00:06:09 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DqeVJ-00044W-Gc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 00:05:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DqeWh-0003jm-67 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 18:07:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DqeRh-0000uK-Pr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 18:02:13 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DqeLb-0007Zg-9K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:55:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DqeLY-0007Ww-Ex for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:55:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.24] (helo=legolas.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DqeFl-0002GX-GQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:49:53 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-84-228-140-137.inter.net.il [84.228.140.137]) by legolas.inter.net.il (MOS 3.5.8-GR) with ESMTP id EVR90773 (AUTH halo1); Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:43:05 +0300 (IDT) Original-To: Lennart Borgman In-reply-to: <42CD9412.5040807@student.lu.se> (message from Lennart Borgman on Thu, 07 Jul 2005 22:44:02 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:40600 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:40600 > Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 22:44:02 +0200 > From: Lennart Borgman > CC: hober0@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >??? What does the shell have to do with using `ls'? You can invoke > >`ls' from _any_ shell running on Windows, including from cmd.exe. > > > > > I never use ls outside some sh like shell. Why not? > I think that the necessary integration > with different platforms must not be hampered by the consistent > cross-platform behaviour. I am much in favor of both these things. They contradict. One must choose one or the other; we cannot have both. > Since Emacs started its route much have changed. The users on different > platforms now tend to request that applications adhere to what they are > used to. FWIW, I don't see any significant change in users' attitudes.