From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Help menu Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:45:07 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4373BDF2.90106@student.lu.se> <5B24B171-FABB-40C4-90C8-248240E4EF8B@gmail.com> <87br0mr0pa.fsf@jurta.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1132080628 31074 80.91.229.2 (15 Nov 2005 18:50:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: david.reitter@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 15 19:50:24 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ec5iX-0008MC-Pb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:39:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ec5iX-0003pV-83 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:39:41 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ec5iO-0003pQ-I5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:39:32 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ec5iN-0003pE-2T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:39:32 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ec5iM-0003pB-Ul for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:39:31 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.20] (helo=nitzan.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ec5iN-0006vy-1M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:39:31 -0500 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-80-230-46-90.inter.net.il [80.230.46.90]) by nitzan.inter.net.il (MOS 3.6.5-GR) with ESMTP id BYM71147 (AUTH halo1); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:45:08 +0200 (IST) Original-To: Juri Linkov In-reply-to: <87br0mr0pa.fsf@jurta.org> (message from Juri Linkov on Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:11:45 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:46038 Archived-At: > From: Juri Linkov > Cc: david.reitter@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:11:45 +0200 > > > Sorry, this cannot be done by just dropping the "Describe" part. The > > reason is that on some systems (notably, the non-toolkit X build), > > only the last submenu is displayed. That is, if you click Help, then > > select Describe, the initial Help menu disappears, and only the > > Describe submenu stays on the screen. So, if you remove the > > "Describe" part, what one sees is incomprehensible. > > Actually on the non-toolkit X build the parent's menu name is > displayed in the header of the submenu: Yes, I know. But, depending on your font definitions, it can be barely visible, and even if one does pay attention and reads it, it is not immediately apparent that this header is the beginning of the menu items' names.