From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance... Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 01:10:49 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87sl5n5yem.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87fy1nbe4f.fsf@jurta.org> <86myvu2zw1.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <20070912093913.GB12104@saeurebad.de> <87wsuum8qw.fsf@jurta.org> <18155.45363.116982.273374@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <18156.10939.330774.644835@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1189894268 475 80.91.229.12 (15 Sep 2007 22:11:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: wilde@sha-bang.de, hannes@saeurebad.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: mathias@mnet-mail.de Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 16 00:11:02 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IWfqs-00077M-Mj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 00:10:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IWfqr-0005wl-OU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:10:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IWfqo-0005wH-Ah for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:10:54 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IWfqn-0005w5-U9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:10:54 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IWfqn-0005w2-Mu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:10:53 -0400 Original-Received: from nitzan.inter.net.il ([213.8.233.22]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IWfqn-0000NN-9s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:10:53 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-84-228-207-204.inter.net.il [84.228.207.204]) by nitzan.inter.net.il (MOS 3.7.3a-GA) with ESMTP id HUQ08170 (AUTH halo1); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 01:08:08 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <18156.10939.330774.644835@gargle.gargle.HOWL> (message from Mathias Megyei on Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:55:55 +0200) X-Detected-Kernel: FreeBSD 4.7-5.2 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.4) (2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:78999 Archived-At: > From: Mathias Megyei > Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:55:55 +0200 > Cc: rms@gnu.org,juri@jurta.org,wilde@sha-bang.de,hannes@saeurebad.de,emacs-devel@gnu.org > > There are many possiblities how pathnames are easy available > outside Emacs. Eg. by using Bash functions, Git user know about > 'git ls-files', etc. Why shouldn't someone start Emacs with file > argument when he has the file more easily available in the shell? Well, if you build a lot on top of shell features, then it's clear why you would prefer file arguments from the command line. Me, I live inside Emacs and build almost everything on its features. Starting Emacs without arguments is so hardwired into my brain that I don't even think of any other possibility. Which doesn't mean I like the current CVS behavior of displaying the splash screen when a file argument was given. I think I stated my opinions on this well enough in this thread. > When I come back to this Emacs and see the splash screen, then I > have to think why did I start this Emacs? As I said, I, too, don't like this behavior. > We also use a batch-queuing system (SGE from Sun) to start > applications with specific needs on suitable hosts. > Sometimes we need to look at or even edit files with size of 300 > or 400 MBs. This cannot be done on the local host with 1 GB > memory running 32 bit linux. > When the user submits his (interactive) job it takes several > seconds, a minute until the job gets started. > > The workflow you're proposing would be in this case: > - submit Emacs job > - wait several seconds > - C-x C-f FILE > - wait longer No. For these use cases, I'd use emacsclient, and leave Emacs running at all times. But again, those are _my_ habits; YMMV. We don't have to agree on habits.