From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ulrich Mueller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: repology.el Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 21:30:47 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87im8jb6uq.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87h7o29p12.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11097"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 31 21:33:15 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kv4dG-0002mY-Cg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2020 21:33:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59852 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kv4dF-000436-BC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2020 15:33:13 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52894) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kv4bE-0003A3-Ey for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2020 15:31:08 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([140.211.166.183]:48240) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kv4b7-0007nH-9S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2020 15:31:07 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Jean Louis's message of "Thu, 31 Dec 2020 16:11:51 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=140.211.166.183; envelope-from=ulm@gentoo.org; helo=smtp.gentoo.org X-Spam_score_int: -68 X-Spam_score: -6.9 X-Spam_bar: ------ X-Spam_report: (-6.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:262205 Archived-At: >>>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2020, Jean Louis wrote: > GNU project is development of free software. It does not contribute > and should not contribute to installations, references, promotion or > support to non-free software, neither it shall support remote servers > doing so. > Specific free GNU/Linux operating systems and their packages are > promoted and supported by GNU project: > https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html I've always wondered how many of the Emacs developers are actually using one of these? On free hardware with free firmware, because everything else would be inconsequent. > Others are not supported: > https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html > As non-free packages are not advertised by GNU project neither by free > endorsed OSes it would be contradiction to advertise such non-free > packages through this package. GNU ELPA should not promote such > non-free packages and should not provide API to remote server that > lists, searches, indexes and provides results where non-free packages > may be included. > The package you proposed does not teach users about free software but > advertises non-free software. > repology.org compiles databases of free software and non-free software > together without any ethical distinction. I find your standpoint rather extreme, because the vast majority of the projects there is distributed under a free software license. If there weren't any such services as repology.org, users would likely use a search engine to find a specific package. How is that better? > It is in contradiction how endorsed free software GNU/Linux operating > systems are structured, see: > https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html > Additionally it advertises third party server about which we know > nothing of, which would collecting data from Emacs users. IIUC their server's software is licensed under GPLv3+ and publicly available.