From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ulrich Mueller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Cleaning out old X11 toolkits? Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 12:20:20 +0100 Message-ID: References: <07D5E64D-DAD0-45B3-B272-627A73D7CBAE@gmail.com> <7308DB2C-27A5-4227-A1F9-9949EE558052@gmail.com> <87sg6alweo.fsf@gnus.org> <87pn1erewq.fsf@gmail.com> <87wnvlecrw.fsf@gnus.org> <83sg69o3av.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtwhctte.fsf@gnus.org> <459A0475-E3E7-4159-82DF-93809CCF1E24@gmail.com> <87eehng52n.fsf@gnus.org> <87mtwbye5b.fsf@gmail.com> <87czx7ycva.fsf@tcd.ie> <87eehmyalr.fsf@gmail.com> <877dneoewi.fsf@tcd.ie> <875z2yy6z7.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19667"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1.91 (gnu/linux) Cc: Yuan Fu , Robert Pluim , Alan Third , emacs-devel , "Basil L. Contovounesios" , Stefan Monnier , Lars Ingebrigtsen , Eli Zaretskii To: chad Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 12 12:24:35 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lAWYt-000501-Sk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 12:24:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55026 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAWYs-0007Qn-QD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 06:24:34 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47184) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAWV6-0004Yi-1k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 06:20:40 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([140.211.166.183]:57836) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAWV3-0006VZ-GZ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 06:20:39 -0500 In-Reply-To: (chad's message of "Thu, 11 Feb 2021 14:18:27 -0800") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=140.211.166.183; envelope-from=ulm@gentoo.org; helo=smtp.gentoo.org X-Spam_score_int: -68 X-Spam_score: -6.9 X-Spam_bar: ------ X-Spam_report: (-6.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264494 Archived-At: >>>>> On Thu, 11 Feb 2021, chad wrote: >> Actually, looking through configure, we also have motif and athena and >> 'none', so it=CA=BCs 6, not 3. > I started a reply mentioning motif and athena/Xaw3d for hysterical > reasons, but then peeked ahead and saw that they had already been > mentioned. > In more pragmatic terms, I would guess that it's entirely possible to > excise motif/lesstif, athena, and Xaw3d from main without anyone > noticing. Your guess would be wrong. > Whether this is worth the effort in a world leaning ever so slowly > towards Cairo and pgtk is a little hard to tell, but a quick grep > through src suggests that it would at least clear up a bunch of #ifdef > spaghetti. > Would the maintainers be interested in a branch that tried this? Would > it be better to wait for pgtk to settle first? Is there a big use-case > for those toolkits of which I'm unaware? Has the GTK+ "closing displays" bug [1,2] been fixed? If not, I think it's a showstopper for removal of the old toolkits. I use Emacs with Athena here because of that bug. [1] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/221=20 [2] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/2315