From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ulrich Mueller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Org schemas we talked to be non-free, was: [ELPA] New package: repology.el Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 21:36:54 +0100 Message-ID: References: <83zh0y2jtu.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9766"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: rms@gnu.org, Jean Louis , ulm@gentoo.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, ams@gnu.org, arthur.miller@live.com, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 24 21:38:08 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l3m9A-0002Rr-99 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 21:38:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57696 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3m99-0000A3-Bz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 15:38:07 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44208) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3m8F-00089n-5k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 15:37:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.gentoo.org ([2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]:42863 helo=smtp.gentoo.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3m88-0008Tt-5Z; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 15:37:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: <83zh0y2jtu.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 24 Jan 2021 21:53:01 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4; envelope-from=ulm@gentoo.org; helo=smtp.gentoo.org X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:263353 Archived-At: >>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2021, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> > Only a special class of derivative works can be distributed freely, >> > and it sounds like some of these would fall under "fair use" anyway. >> > Certainly this isn't enough to qualify as a free software license? >> >=20 >> > However, this document itself may not be modified in any way, >> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> > including by removing the copyright notice or references to OASIS, >> > except as needed for the purpose of developing any document or >> > deliverable produced by an OASIS Technical Committee (in which case >> > the rules applicable to copyrights, as set forth in the OASIS IPR >> > Policy, must be followed) or as required to translate it into >> > languages other than English. >>=20 >> Then it is not free. > Forgive me for a possibly na=C3=AFve question, but why on earth would you > want to modify a schema? I think the core question isn't if the files can be modified, but if their license allows including them with a free software package. At least if you apply the usual criteria mechanically, I believe the answer would be "no". > It's the same as modifying a physical law. Would you say that E =3D mc= =C2=B2 > is "non-free" because it cannot be meaningfully modified at will? That's an awful analogy. For example, you can modify (i.e. generalise) the formula to E=C2=B2 =3D p=C2=B2c=C2=B2 + m=C2=B2c=E2=81=B4 for an object= with nonzero momentum. :-)