From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.comp.gcc.fortran,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs and GFortran Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 15:26:10 +0200 Message-ID: References: <200611011037.12356.wt@atmos.colostate.edu> <20061101180354.GA62686@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20061101203931.E775C4401A@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE> <20061101213056.GA63890@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20061101215142.51A0944013@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE> <20061101223548.GA72295@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20061101224912.ED10144013@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE> <20061101232634.GA44475@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20061102132624.0D3E74400B@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE> <20061102190005.GA6116@meiner.onlinehome.de> <85u01h37ym.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1162560422 3132 80.91.229.2 (3 Nov 2006 13:27:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 13:27:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Thomas.Koenig@online.de, ams@gnu.org, sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu, wt@atmos.colostate.edu, fortran@gcc.gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: fortran-return-15453-gcgf-fortran=m.gmane.org@gcc.gnu.org Fri Nov 03 14:26:57 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcgf-fortran@gmane.org Original-Received: from sourceware.org ([209.132.176.174]) by ciao.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gfz3w-0002Hi-8K for gcgf-fortran@gmane.org; Fri, 03 Nov 2006 14:26:28 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 848 invoked by alias); 3 Nov 2006 13:26:21 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 838 invoked by uid 22791); 3 Nov 2006 13:26:20 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_40,SPF_SOFTFAIL X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Original-Received: from nitzan.inter.net.il (HELO nitzan.inter.net.il) (192.114.186.20) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.31) with ESMTP; Fri, 03 Nov 2006 13:26:12 +0000 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-80-230-43-22.inter.net.il [80.230.43.22]) by nitzan.inter.net.il (MOS 3.7.3a-GA) with ESMTP id FBU92752 (AUTH halo1); Fri, 3 Nov 2006 15:26:05 +0200 (IST) Original-To: David Kastrup In-reply-to: <85u01h37ym.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (message from David Kastrup on Thu, 02 Nov 2006 21:32:49 +0100) Mailing-List: contact fortran-help@gcc.gnu.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Help: , Original-Sender: fortran-owner@gcc.gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.gcc.fortran:15424 gmane.emacs.devel:61694 Archived-At: > Cc: Thomas Koenig , ams@gnu.org, > sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu, wt@atmos.colostate.edu, > fortran@gcc.gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: David Kastrup > Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 21:32:49 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > If I were Alfred, I'd hesitate to submit a patch, given the attitude > > of several GFortranners. That attitude is so hostile that I'd > > suggest to talk to the steering committee about it. > > There would be more substance to talk about if he submitted a patch to > the proper channels first. The ``proper channels'' could have been pointed out right at the beginning of this thread, in some polite manner. Instead, the initial responses were a flat refusal to even consider any change, then false arguments about impossibility to express complex errors in the standard form, then more stonewalling, etc. etc. Only late into the (by then very heated) dispute did we hear that the right way to submit a patch was through ``the channels''. At some point I wondered whether we were talking to lawyers, not to fellow developers. > free time developers don't necessarily react enthused if work gets > dumped at their doors. They should know better, IMO. Btw, ``getting work dumped at my doorsteps'' is precisely what some of us here do for Emacs for quite some time now. Somehow, we do manage to stay cool and supportive to whoever reports problems. > It is not like we don't see some passionate arguments on the Emacs > developer list at times, too. In those rare cases when similar hostility to outside complaints is present on the Emacs list, the guilty parties are pointed out their rude behavior. > So I'd really recommend to Alfred passing over the momentary heat of > discussion on the list, and entering a proper report at the bug > reporting data base This was already done a day or two ago; please re-read the thread. And yet we still don't have an agreement to accept the patch, nor even consider it an important problem to fix.