From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Are we in feature-freeze? Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 06:25:01 +0300 Message-ID: References: <18654.49490.721063.934103@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <87vdwh2cr8.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1222572315 1735 80.91.229.12 (28 Sep 2008 03:25:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 03:25:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 28 05:26:13 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KjmvE-0006ab-4X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 05:26:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55966 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KjmuB-0001Hf-KL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:25:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Kjmu7-0001HA-0k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:25:03 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Kjmu5-0001GF-RD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:25:02 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33578 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Kjmu5-0001GB-Mr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:25:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout3.012.net.il ([84.95.2.7]:37721) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Kjmu5-0006TS-FW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:25:01 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.127.170.116]) by i_mtaout3.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0K7V009UEYVHW634@i_mtaout3.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 06:26:05 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87vdwh2cr8.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 9.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:104205 Archived-At: > From: Chong Yidong > Cc: Stefan Monnier , Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:03:07 -0400 > > Nick Roberts writes: > > > There are so many major things that need fixing for 23.1, that I think > > it's counterproductive to put a freeze on minor features now, like the > > one Eli is suggesting. A total freeze only seems appropriate when > > bugs are being actively fixed, and I don't see that now. > > Bugs are being actively fixed. Not as quickly as I would like, since we > don't have enough people working on it, but we are very much in the bug > reduction phase. Is FOR-RELEASE supposed to be the definitive list of things to be fixed before the release, or are there some alternative methods available now that we use a bug tracker? If it's still FOR-RELEASE, then several problems people were complaining about are not even there. For example, the slow redisplay with the font back-ends, and the problems with non-ASCII characters on TTYs. I don't think we can release Emacs with these two problems.