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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
	Roland.Winkler@physik.uni-erlangen.de
Subject: Re: proced: ppid of process ID 0 can be 0
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:29:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <u3agdctp4.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvmyely0zv.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> Cc: Roland.Winkler@physik.uni-erlangen.de,  lekktu@gmail.com,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 11:47:12 -0500
> 
> >> > It's not hypothetical, I've seen such cases and reported them to
> >> > Roland.
> >> What were those cases?
> > Processes that disappeared while Emacs was reading /proc, for example.
> 
> Then don't return them at all

How?  I don't know enough about Linux kernel internals to decide which
attribute's absence means that the process died while Emacs was
reading /proc.  For examples, quite a few lack the command line, but I
don't think that's a good reason to not return such processes.  In
addition, judging by comments in procps sources, the set of attributes
depend on the version of the Linux kernel.  If you (or someone else)
can define a clear logic, one that won't change with the next release
of the kernel, then perhaps we could avoid returning such processes.

Reading /proc is inherently prone to race conditions with the kernel,
unless someone can suggest a way of getting from /proc a consistent
snapshot of the set of system processes.  I don't see how to overcome
this difficulty at the primitive level.




  reply	other threads:[~2008-12-24 18:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-20  2:52 proced: ppid of process ID 0 can be 0 Juanma Barranquero
2008-12-20  3:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-20  4:31   ` Chong Yidong
2008-12-20 19:10     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-20 10:20   ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-12-20 11:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-20 19:41   ` Roland Winkler
2008-12-20 21:02     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-12-20 22:02     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-20 22:41       ` Roland Winkler
2008-12-21  4:15         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-21  4:48           ` Roland Winkler
2008-12-21 19:17             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-21 21:26               ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-12-22  4:09                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-22 10:41                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-12-22 19:17                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-22 19:26                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-12-22  2:45               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-22  4:08                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-22  4:17                   ` Miles Bader
2008-12-22 19:10                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-22  8:54                   ` Harald Hanche-Olsen
2008-12-22 10:43                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-12-22 10:50                       ` Harald Hanche-Olsen
2008-12-22 18:03                       ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-12-22 10:59                   ` Andreas Schwab
2008-12-22 19:22                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-22 19:37                       ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-12-22 19:59                       ` Andreas Schwab
2008-12-22 12:23                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-22 19:57                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-22 22:24                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-23  4:02                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-23 12:28                           ` Roland Winkler
2008-12-23 14:44                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-23 19:12                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-23 20:41                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-23 22:34                                 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-12-24  2:34                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-24  4:14                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-24 16:47                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-24  4:15                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-24 16:47                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-24 18:29                                     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2008-12-24 18:55                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-24 21:12                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-30 17:11                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-30 22:02                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-31  1:40                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-22  8:28               ` Ulrich Mueller
2008-12-21  2:18       ` Stefan Monnier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-12-24  7:42 grischka

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