From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Info tutorial is out of date Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:43:29 +0300 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1153251840 2967 80.91.229.2 (18 Jul 2006 19:44:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 18 21:43:59 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2vTn-00029n-Qx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:43:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2vTn-000790-6L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:43:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2vTc-00078m-JV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:43:28 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2vTb-00076W-1C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:43:27 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2vTa-00076E-Rl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:43:26 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.66] (helo=romy.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G2vWX-0005AG-Vq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:46:30 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-80-230-228-156.inter.net.il [80.230.228.156]) by romy.inter.net.il (MOS 3.7.3-GA) with ESMTP id FHM77642 (AUTH halo1); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:43:24 +0300 (IDT) Original-To: "Drew Adams" In-reply-to: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:57285 Archived-At: > From: "Drew Adams" > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:37:27 -0700 > > > > I see no reason why we can't have two versions of the tutorial. > > > > One reason is that it's not easy to present the right one > > to the user based on her reader. Remember: learning Info is a > > bootstrap-kind of problem--you learn to use a tool by using > > that same tool. If we don't > > make the beginning of the bootstrap 110% reliable (which includes > > showing the right manual), the results will be catastrophic. > > > > So, how do you deal with that problem currently, since there > > are apparently already two manuals? > > By having the Info manual be the first item in the top-level menu. > > And? That sounds OK to me. It's okay as long as we have only one such manual. You suggested that the basics be divided between two.