From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: jari.aalto@poboxes.com (Jari Aalto+mail.emacs) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Suggestion: Mapping of M-g should be goto-line Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:11:24 +0200 Organization: Private Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1080194435 14775 80.91.224.253 (25 Mar 2004 06:00:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 06:00:35 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 25 07:00:25 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1B6Nuj-0003cr-00 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 07:00:25 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1B6Nuj-0006iF-00 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 07:00:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B6NuL-0002jA-1P for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 01:00:01 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1B6Ntn-0002h4-0S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 00:59:27 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1B6Nsn-00020a-4o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 00:58:56 -0500 Original-Received: from [193.229.0.60] (helo=fep22-app.kolumbus.fi) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B6Nsm-000207-Ht for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 00:58:24 -0500 Original-Received: from poboxes.com ([81.197.3.110]) by fep22-app.kolumbus.fi with ESMTP id <20040325055819.UUIT17404.fep22-app.kolumbus.fi@poboxes.com> for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 07:58:19 +0200 Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (windows-nt) (i386-msvc-nt5.0.2195) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:20868 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:20868 M-g in current 21.3 is mapped to binding "set face default". First, it is not possible to obtain any help information with standard binding to see what it actually does: C-h k M-g Second, it is unlikely that new Emacs user, or even experienced one seldom uses this keybinding. I have yet to find use for this functionality (= never used in my Emacs lifetime). There may be few users that may potentially find the current binding useful in some cases. But I hardly think those few users needs should be put first, when considering the usefulness of the current binding in large. If put side by side, "set face default" and goto-line, I would estimate that the 99 % of the cases, there is more need for goto-line. Therefore it would be better if the M-g was mapped to it. Users need line information. After all, Emacs for most, is programming language development environment: C / C++, Python, Perl, Ruby etc. In time they may find and start use other features like Gnus, Mail and others. The "de facto" situation for long has been that everybody maps M-g to goto-line. People advice that in newsgroups, because it is indeed the most logical key. If we would take a poll in Emacs newsgroups, presumably the "yes" votes for goto-line would win in great majority. It would be better if Emacs supported this 99 % daily usage of M-g, instead of current not-so-useful binding. Jari