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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261319 Archived-At: > Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 4:27 PM > From: "Jean Louis" > To: "Adrien Brochard" > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars > > * Adrien Brochard [2020-12-20 07:24]: > > > Majority of users for the survey, if I remember well, came from > > > Reddit. There was description where it was marketed mostly. > > > > > > Thus survey is not general Emacs survey, it is survey of mostly Redd= it > > > users who may be or probably are more skillful. > > > > What makes you think that people coming from the Reddit channel are mo= re > > skillful? If someone googles an Emacs question, getting directed to > > r/emacs and finding the survey there is pretty likely. > > "who may be or probably", see above to understand the intended > meaning. > > It is a survey that targeted intentionally or not intentionally just a > subset of Emacs users using Reddit and few other popular websites. > > Those who speak about Emacs on reddit in my opinion are minimally > slightly advanced users, as they discuss about Emacs. > > I was using Emacs for years without discussing with anybody. Debian > popularity contest says that there is much larger number of Emacs > users. > > The true representative survey information could be obtained only > within Emacs itself under condition that survey is presented straight > to Emacs user. I wonder whether the survey stems from lack of vision of emacs admin and d= evelopers. For instance, Gcc has a Development Plan. Suggestions for changes to the = plan are discussed on the Gcc mailing list and can be approved or rejected by the G= cc Steering Committee. How about Emacs? > Jean