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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:322363 Archived-At: > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2024 at 11:37 PM > From: divya@subvertising.org > To: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Emacs website, Lisp, and other > > > Hardly. If anywhere, Lisp is stronger at universities. > > Hello, I've been reading the last few exchanges and this strikes to me > as intriguing. Which univerisities are you aware of, other than the > places where Felleisen, Friedman et.al (Racket folks) have been active > to have a serious Lisp-based approach? You no longer have that in MIT in > any serious capacity either, except a few grad PL Theory classes, one > doesn't really interact with Lisp in any considerable capacity. And this > is not really news, even Sussman (co-author of SICP, taught at MIT) > acknowledged the wave of changing to Python from Lisp[0]. I fully agree. But, the use of Python in universities is also misguided. In the sense that python codes emanating from universities have hardly any value, other than the productivity by which new code gets completed. You might think that because so much code is being generated, and so many peop= le have these high degrees, most of them are just servants to the interests of their advisors. This is the new idea of the university. Stay away fro= m it if you can. > I find this dishonest in the least, to not acknowledge the existing > conditions as they are. If not dishonest. it is misguided. > Regards, > > Divya > > [0]: > https://cemerick.com/blog/2009/03/24/why-mit-now-uses-python-instead-of-= scheme-for-its-undergraduate-cs-program.html > >