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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260956 Archived-At: > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 6:34 AM > From: "Richard Stallman" > To: "Lars Ingebrigtsen" > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars > > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > Of 7.3K respondents, 5K disable toolbars, which is more than two > > thirds. So perhaps toolbars should default to off? I know toolbars > > were all the rage in the 90s, but that's apparently not the case now= . > > > Opinions? > > The people who responded to that survey are certainly not representative > of all users. They were selected for being users of certain web sites. > > That doesn't imply that most users want toolbars. Maybe hardly anyone > wants toolbars. > > So here's an idea. We could make Emacs display, where the toolbar > would have been, a question: > > Would you like a toolbar here or not? Yes No > > If you click Yes, that customizes to permanently turn on the toolbar. > If you click No, that customizes to permanently turn off the toolbar. > > Each one could offer to click on a web page where you could > register your preference. That way we would get a complete sample. Toolbar icons are the equivalent to keybindings for those who use the mouse. Rather than arguing about having a toolbar or not, allow the user to introduce a toolbar icon and associate with it a specific command. > -- > Dr Richard Stallman > Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) > Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) > Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)