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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260929 Archived-At: > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 9:58 PM > From: "Dmitry Gutov" > To: "Lars Ingebrigtsen" , "=C3=93scar Fuentes" > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu=2Eorg > Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars > > On 15=2E12=2E2020 17:33, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > > =C3=93scar Fuentes writes: > >=20 > >>> I don't think that's a good argument for having a GUI element that f= ew > >>> people like, > >> We have no data to support that=2E > > I know you're being funny, but: The only data we have does support tha= t=2E > >=20 >=20 > I think everyone here can agree that we need both more and better data= =2E =20 Wrong Rationalism=2E We would be simply be provisioning to a subset of pe= ople based on the trends in society=2E It would not be primarily about softwar= e=20 freedom=2E The focus must on the work we should do, rather that disregard= ing minority shareholders as done in the corporate world=2E For instance, cat= ering for users with limitations has almost always been about the few - so almos= t=20 nobody cares about that=2E For instance, there is only one face theme that adequately passes=20 International Accessibility Standards - Modus-Themes=2E Should Modus-Themes be the default face for Emacs? - Absolutely! Christopher =20 =20