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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:321781 Archived-At: > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2024 at 7:12 PM > From: "Emanuel Berg" > To: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Adding a generic mathematical library > > Christopher Dimech wrote: > > >> Maybe we should have a math library in ELPA, then it will > >> be less hesitation to just add stuff that is desired as we > >> go along, not having to argue what relevance it has to > >> Emacs per se as a piece of text editing software. > > > > The problem that usually occurs is that once things are in > > place things would be much more difficult to change in > > design. Because we tend to be quite strict about not > > breaking their previous use. > > The software doesn't exist, for this reason it hasn't been put > anywhere. Are you worrying about difficulties moving it > from there? > > -- > underground experts united > https://dataswamp.org/~incal I am aligned with Eli's comment about how the library has to move beyond those intended for personal use. A well thought out robust design would be appreciated if things are to move forward. Because decisions done in the initial stages will impact upon the capabilities others can add to it.