From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Dimech Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 14:53:18 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87o8iv3ac3.fsf@gnus.org> <56d1484e-6f41-575f-0fbb-fd2bd99ab152@yandex.ru> <87eejqnlxk.fsf@gnus.org> <875z52nlqa.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27606"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 16 14:54:49 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kpXGS-00076A-8e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 14:54:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58250 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpXGR-0003cE-AW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 08:54:47 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40262) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpXF4-0002IM-QC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 08:53:23 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:60787) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpXF2-000096-Ha for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 08:53:22 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1608126798; bh=IGP1F5NXd9Psw3ZZh6twdNpMyoHdVNyaaLCWfKl5Z6A=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=K7h7IHFCwGWS3OWmrGXFhHQlTrHEsledtcQond5UUnYgzHTKg+d3pJ1uhtqvlxqxu meIAOsas/jkoo8lcm8Vqf3XN+kNYYLJl1pMNa9hRSLNnL4ZY/S1TnAXjXDyHaSjitq gbBJwOIBrmmsMYU3BrX+9rtGMlzRxcq/L45VLkQw= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs15.server.lan [172.19.170.183]) (via HTTP); Wed, 16 Dec 2020 14:53:18 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <875z52nlqa.fsf@gnus.org> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:2JiXtwBzWWkmIGSNFfiijW1plGOyuCR+VrNI/Qq4hVsolTxdIBxz/ANbhLdf6wlCNkPKZ NfcPy7NRlAPzawKck8hGiYYp6MACV+E3AkQO+37mmJ2lcypuNI7TOfg/p2Cowojl2aAbhvbXAILT kZePoOm5iyuwqFQK8t6Ou1ZS+3K18ivEed/eYbtNg2lGCEFggkMgTsfa7+YULqkc+4q6KetfIbxi izABj4rUVRhsn4VGZzRihY+i0pAaghm+Mg/8NxiO/cx62IXzLtWXIZS/HEGNt8doASQ1nqEY+rlE 94= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:EwodFW7QNZY=:4L0XuMC9LOOPaQwXnEYHa+ YumTi2qONj02sY7NexlWnSxrnuNLjvN5E1iEBxq6hO0AVKPFM5+0MBllEBWbEaQDxkqF6X9p8 lQsO4msE/L26gLZWXKmI6bzmWX4e++SMtbiWYAndEDAlAh4FfaS4cWpU6hGVI8ZMTu+GCnIuT HrDQ9XjBpJHTqSIJOilPCgkqTxSTgDyB+21kc+3EtqwX1DUHqyjzZSr0x9r2+KnrPxikH/HCn hht4QoSfZWKW2UIMS+wi+UIzkdkFRG4F7UqPl0TKMf3Lnt+Bhp9nhFWwNe0JiycN3DvfPCaYs xx6XRz1bPdVYpcyIqzsyNuoNKsWvWlWlXHaq1g+m4XollqQdO56WjGHk5TWEc2J1wKGDztDhr c4lHTa5mTqiTovORJsNT2UtD042WbuU4s/lpE5v5X87WAtjiUNO0r+HLTtZh57KMYWxyWNnBk gQ1WwNGbGPHD3wUwOadxI01JTp4UV2ad+daz3ajP9OwQiObBh7a7kLFm7dB1vr5GF8rAYVlTY lEqolGWSi6DWUk/z/RsdDasCGgsu0T/hHcGRIOu85lE2oIOxuZyBx/SxhxA1nJ2SJFIpErxpJ 8oUNuakJl0rdk= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.17.20; envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260984 Archived-At: It is evident how a lot of the reasoning is flawed! Making something hard= er than it needs to be is good. Only Conmen complicate things more than they should be. And onl= y a genius simplifies complicated things. One of the most surprising aspects of this study is how often programmers = have been proved not only wrong, but grossly and disastrously wrong in their prescriptions for the i= lls of society -- and how little their views have changed in response to empirical evidence of the d= isasters entailed by those views. Emacs core contributors is and probably should remain small =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Making something harder than it needs to be does ensure a certain competen= ce. Manual transmission cars are another example of such natural gatekeeping. You were more assured of = a new driver's roadworthiness if she could work a clutch, more so than if she relied on electronic assis= ts to parallel park. =2D-------------------- Christopher Dimech General Administrator - Naiad Informatics - GNU Project (Geocomputation) - Geophysical Simulation - Geological Subsurface Mapping - Disaster Preparedness and Mitigation - Natural Resource Exploration and Production - Free Software Advocacy > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 10:28 AM > From: "Lars Ingebrigtsen" > To: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars > > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > > > We now have some data, and I don't think we should just dismiss that > > data because of statistical quibbles. > > Speaking of statistics -- I found Dick Mao's analysis of the survey > pretty interesting: > > https://github.com/dickmao/emacs-survey/blob/main/2020/commentary.ipynb > > -- > (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) > bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no > >