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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261173 Archived-At: > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 at 9:43 AM > From: "Jean Louis" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, larsi@gnus.org, = yandros@gmail.com, john@yates-sheets.org > Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars > > * Christopher Dimech [2020-12-18 09:00]: > > Dear Richard, > > > > It is difficult to use a mouse clicking tool to perform the > > keysequence on a virtual keyboard. When using a mouse clicking tool > > with a virtual keyboard, the number of presses that are saved, stop > > being a tiny fraction. It is then the keybinding approach that gets > > in the way. > > To give you more insights from me as user, I do use toolbar, sometimes > not. In general it does not disturb me neither I see it. It is useful > as one level of accessible user interface. It offers similar to menu > items specific functions by only using the mouse and a click and that > is great. > > Emacs with toolbar is on a level more accessible. > > Toolbar is occupying only about one third of linear space on my screen > and in my opinion it should be full of functions such as: > > - new frame > - bookmarks list > - text properties such as justification full, centering > - Emacs packages > - report emacs bug > - spell checking > - version control check in/out > - calendar > - calculator > - send email > - then help functions like About Emacs or manual > > Including a rich toolbar makes options accessible more to users to > discover more useful features of Emacs. > > Including more accessibility features would help that Emacs become > useful for more people. Have suggested that the toolbar items could be user defined as it is for keybindings. > Gestures would be another useful accessibility feature. But I think it > exists already, I just forgot is it a built-in package. Then user > could move mouse in some direction as specified to launch some Emacs > commands. This would help on touch screen as well. > > Accessibility on one level more would be speech recognition where user > activates it by saying "M-x" "find file" or "M-x" "mail" to activate > features. > > > >