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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325546 Archived-At: > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 10:29 PM > From: "Alan Mackenzie" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Subject: Re: My resignation from Emacs development > > Hello, Christopher. > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 17:23:20 +0100, Christopher Dimech wrote: > > > The claim that using free software or its associated names constitutes > > aggression is fundamentally flawed. Aggression involves hostile action= s > > meant to cause harm, and using names in a way not intended by their > > original authors is neither violent nor malicious. > > There are forms of aggression which don't use fists or guns. It is not unusual for people to do so. Nobody did any harm. Some frustration perhaps. > > One of the key principles of free software is that software should be > > modifiable, and free to use in any context. Restricting how names are > > used run counter to the ethos to empower users and developers, not to > > limit or control their language or expressions. > > Fine. I put it to you that if somebody were to take the name > dimech@gmx.com and prevent it connecting up with your inbox, you would > be somewhat unhappy. Emacs is not my inbox. There are many things I need to get accustomed to. The final decision has always been with the emacs maintainers. Perhaps you could become an emacs maintainer than keeping it non-gnu. > > Although the approach should be reconsidered, there should be some > > thoughtful conversation among the community. Avoiding tones of contem= pt > > or disregard for the foundations laid by previous contributors. > > How very considerate and reasonable of you. The time for "thoughtful > conversation" around the current matter is long past. You should > perhaps address your comments to those who bypass and evade "thoughtful > conversation" at the appropriate time. Right. > > For instance, I agree with you that ("\\.myc\\'" . c-mode) in auto-mod= e-alist > > should mean C Mode. Although C Mode would mean the emacs preferred mo= de. > > Still, your mode name can be changed for those who want to apply an al= ternative > > mode. Changing the mode should be a straightforward thing. > > C Mode has been called that for a long time, possibly longer than you > have been called Christopher Dimech. As far as I'm concerned, it's > going to keep its name. Didn't you think something general as C Mode could produce conflicts with an built-in emacs mode? It is customary to include a package name with other code. > -- > Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). >