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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:270980 Archived-At: It is unfortunate to think that the moment one markets something, then it is corrupt=2E There is nothing wrong with a business or an industry=2E Business means that something that someone needs, someone decides to provide=2E As long as it is a legitimate business and people are paying their taxes=2E Of course for a cost, because if it needs to be sustained, there has to be a cost=2E =20 Till people give up this attitude, free software will not spread across=2E Free software must go to every village if the urban people pay for it=2E That is my mission and I will take it there=2E > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 4:35 PM > From: "Stefan Kangas" > To: "Richard Stallman" > Cc: "Emacs developers" > Subject: Re: Leaving Freenode behind > > Richard Stallman writes: >=20 > > I do have to correct one detail=2E Libera is a company, so the term > > "community-run" might be misleading=2E >=20 > This is incorrect, as far as I can tell=2E >=20 > Libera is, according to themselves: "a Swedish nonprofit organisation > with organisation number 802535-6448, feel free to read our > bylaws"=2E[1] >=20 > Looking up the Swedish organization LIBERA CHAT registered with that > number, it is an "ideell f=C3=B6rening" (roughly: "volunteer driven > association", or "non-profit" in English), which is most definitely > not a company=2E It is subject to all the normal regulations you would > expect for a non-profit: no one can "own" or "sell" it, it is > controlled by its annual general meeting, etc=2E >=20 > Footnotes: > [1] https://libera=2Echat/about >=20 >