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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:313764 Archived-At: > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 8:30 PM > From: "Dr=2E Arne Babenhauserheide" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: "Eshel Yaron" , emacs-devel@gnu=2Eorg > Subject: Re: Blog post > > Christopher Dimech writes: > > From: "Eshel Yaron" > >> I recently wrote a post on my blog that criticized a certain developm= ent > >> in Emacs, and I think I owe some people here an apology, in particula= r, > >> Eli and Thierry=2E I never expected that rant to spread so widely > > Ranting exclusively to oneself, without any external input or perspect= ive is problematic=2E > > Without external feedback or differing viewpoints, it's challenging to= gain a realistic > > perspective on the problem being ranted about=2E Ultimately leading t= o unexamined positions > > without the benefit of alternative viewpoints=2E Without external com= munication you will get > > frustrated and isolated=2E Sharing with others is healthy, providing p= otential solutions if you > > are correct in your analysis=2E >=20 > So maybe the solution would rather be: if you=E2=80=99re frustrated, fir= st enjoy > a good meal (that=E2=80=99s good for the mood =E2=98=BA), then say polit= ely inside the > community what feels like a problem to you=2E If one put enough focus, then a rant is justified, even if to be corrected= =2E =20 > My personal experience is that almost every time I grew sarcastic or > ranted, I hit the wrong people =E2=80=A6 (and had to write an excuse, ho= ping > that they would still be listening)=2E >From your experience, have your rants been justified ? Introspection of other people's rants should be considered part of the work=2E After=20 all, expletives towards demigods have occurred since time immemorial, and will surely continue=2E When Odysseus is washed ashore on the island of Ogygia, Calypso compels him to remain as her lover for seven years=2E But he finally escapes when Hermes tells Calypso to release him=2E I would also tell Calypso to relea= se users, rather than compelling them to be her lovers for many years=2E=20 Felicitations=20 > Best wishes, > Arne > --=20 > Unpolitisch sein > hei=C3=9Ft politisch sein, > ohne es zu merken=2E > draketo=2Ede >