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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:321787 Archived-At: > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2024 at 8:15 PM > From: "Emanuel Berg" > To: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Adding a generic mathematical library > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> In general libraries for everything is a good way of not > >> having people write code that solves the same problems over > >> and over. > > > > Yes, but since the functions you propose are not in Emacs, > > and neither (AFAICT) is any code which resembles them, > > I wonder whether the need is a real one and general enough > > to justify such a package. > > There is no need for a math library for the Emacs editor, > which is extensively used by programmers and tech people all > over the world. Because math is not a general need. > > That people write their own Elisp because they don't have > official software to do even trivial things doesn't make the > need real. > > Yeah, what can I say? Just unbelievable. > > -- > underground experts united > https://dataswamp.org/~incal He simply needs to be convinced of actual tasks where mathematical operati= ons would be fundamental. Even simple calculations within Emacs Lisp scripts can si= gnificantly benefit from a dedicated math library. But there has to be a practical ap= plication that would be flexible and extensible to other things people would want to= do.