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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260879 Archived-At: > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 5:26 PM > From: "Eli Zaretskii" > To: "Lars Ingebrigtsen" > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars > > > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 06:30:20 +0100 > > > > Of 7.3K respondents, 5K disable toolbars, which is more than two > > thirds. So perhaps toolbars should default to off? I know toolbars > > were all the rage in the 90s, but that's apparently not the case now. > > > > Opinions? > > If we want to appear by default more like other GUI apps out there, > then we should bite the bullet and show some widget that allows to > toggle on/off those parts of the UI (tool bar, menu bar, scroll bars, > etc.), like they do. > > IOW, turning off the tool bar by default and leaving the users with > "M-x tool-bar-mode" to turn it on is IMO a step back in usability > which will leave us with a poorer UI. I fully agree with Eli Zaretskii. We have really started on very bad ideas. Debating about disabling or enabling a toolbar (in general, the question was about disabling graphical tools, completely antithetical to modernisation) is of no real value.