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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:314360 Archived-At: Yuan Fu wrote: > My goal for collab-mode is for it to be a p2p, cross-editor, real-time > collab editing package (Emacs collab with Vim!)=2E It works kind of like > language servers (LSP): a local =E2=80=9Ccollab server=E2=80=9D (called = collab > process) talks to the editor over JSONRPC, and collab processes talk > among themselves over the internet=2E Most of the hard work is done by > the collab process and the editor end should be relatively easy to > implement=2E This sounds pretty interesting! > As of right now, collab-mode has these features: > - Sharing a plain text file > - Sharing a directory (still have rough edges) Does it work well with editing modes? Plain text can be a loose definition= with Emacs :-) Example: When I run a plantuml code block in an org file in a shared direc= tory, will the other side see the generated diagram inline? > - Undo & redo (linear) > - Builtin NAT traversal How do you achieve NAT traversal? (that's interesting to me from a technical / sharing techniques viewpoint;= would love to pass it on to students in a lecture in spring) I've seen that you use a signaling server, does this manage to enable dire= ct connections between two NAT'ed computers? > |=F0=9F=A7=9A No shared docs, not here, not now=2E = | > |Let=E2=80=99s create one, and here=E2=80=99s how! = | I would suggest "here is how" instead of "and here's how"=2E That better matches the rhythm of the first line :-) > |=F0=9F=A7=9A Your file is shared, and here=E2=80=99s the link = | > |Anyone can connect with just a click! | Anyone -> All (also for rhythm) Though that's less precise, since if "All" tried to connect, they would li= kely break something=2E > Help with rhymes > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > I hope you don=E2=80=99t find the fairy and her bad rhymes annoying=2E I= =E2=80=99m not > very good at rhymes, chatgpt is even worse=2E If you can come up with > better ones, please do send them along :-) I hope the suggestions help :-) How could I run a signaling server myself? Best wishes, Arne