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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260895 Archived-At: > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 6:47 PM > From: "=C3=93scar Fuentes" > To: emacs-devel@gnu=2Eorg > Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars > > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: >=20 > > =C3=93scar Fuentes writes: > > > >>> I don't think that's a good argument for having a GUI element that f= ew > >>> people like, > >> > >> We have no data to support that=2E > > > > I know you're being funny, but: The only data we have does support tha= t=2E >=20 > "Only data" !=3D "data reliable enough to support decissions"=2E >=20 > >>> and which may well be discouraging people from using Emacs > >>> at all (because it looks useless and out of touch)=2E > >> > >> We have no data to support that=2E > > > > I did, very carefully, not claim that we do=2E >=20 > At some point on the past it was decided that having a toolbar was a > good thing=2E Switching it off just because a very poorly executed surve= y > barely resembles a democratic vote on its utility, without revisiting > the original motivation, is questionable=2E >=20 > Really, this kind of decissions should be based on guidance by UI > experts=2E Sadly, it seems that we have none onboard, same as every othe= r > Free or Open Source projects around (and even most propietary ones)=2E > They are very scarce=2E I am! Having worked in remote sensing applications for natural resource m= anagement, and submarine surveillance (my current specialisation)=2E =20 =20 > BTW, I disable the toolbar (and the menu) on my config=2E >=20 >=20 >