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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:291120 Archived-At: > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2022 at 12:39 PM > From: "Ihor Radchenko" > To: "Tim Cross" > Cc: rms@gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, acm@muc.de, ema= cs-devel@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Org mode and Emacs (was: Convert README.org to plain text R= EADME while installing package) > > Tim Cross writes: > > > There are many ways org mode can be improved. Current work to clarify > > and refine the syntax, provide a solid and efficient parser, improved > > font-locking and formatting and more consistent and rich API for both > > extensions and new export backends are far more critical than adding > > additional markup/markdown syntax to enable org mode to replace texinf= o. > > IMO such changes are not only misguided, they have the real potential = to > > adversely impact org by making things more complicated and harder to > > maintain, destroying the advantage of a very small and easy to use > > markup and moving the focus towards becoming an authoring tool rather > > than a personal data organisation aid. > > Tim, I afraid that we a slipping to overgeneralisation again. > We may or may not need to make changes to Org syntax for the purpose of > writing documentation using Org. > > Can someone please prepare a small example texi file containing examples > of various texi features that are commonly needed and possibly also > demonstrating some concrete instances of problems that exist in texinfo? Does org accept latex structures? Because texinfo is just plain tex, and = as consequence remained limited (e.g. no colouring, no bold mathematical expr= essions' no boxes for formal end of proof). > If we have such an example and know the expected outputs, someone can > then create an equivalent Org file. Then, the discussion will hopefuly > become more constructive. > > Best, > Ihor > >