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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261223 Archived-At: =2D-------------------- Christopher Dimech General Administrator - Naiad Informatics - GNU Project (Geocomputation) - Geophysical Simulation - Geological Subsurface Mapping - Disaster Preparedness and Mitigation - Natural Resource Exploration and Production - Free Software Advocacy > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 at 6:48 PM > From: "Drew Adams" > To: "Christopher Dimech" , "Robert Pluim" > Cc: eliz@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Subject: RE: Emacs Survey: Toolbars > > > > The only disagreement is whether such an option should be enabled by > > > default for changes made via the menus, I think. > > > > That depends on whether we would people to experiment without messing > > up their setup. For those who experiment with many problems. they > > run the risk of forgetting how to revert to their previous configurati= on. > > Perhaps writing the details in a file, and using that if they want to > > revert back? > > Yes, that was a point I made. > > There are good arguments to be made both for and > against auto-saving of option changes. My message > of a few minutes ago elaborates on this. > > Providing for the possibility (choice) of auto-saving > could be a good thing. Providing flexibility in such > a user choice would be even better. Then we provide the flexibility. > IOW, even just a choice always/never save all options > could be a step forward, but it's not the best possible > solution. Options are not all the same, and users > don't all use the same option the same way. > >