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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260750 Archived-At: > Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 5:58 AM > From: "Richard Stallman" > To: "Tim Cross" > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, thibaut.verron@gmail.com, stefankangas@gmail.co= m, bugs@gnu.support, boruch_baum@gmx.com > Subject: Re: non-gnu elpa issue tracking > > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > The non-GNU ELPA is supposed to be a repository for packages which a= re GPL > > compliant and it is a reasonable expectation that those who make the= ir > > packages GPL compliant do so because they support the philosophical = goals > > of the FSF. > > I wish this were true, but it is not. Our influence is limited. (It > would get stronger if more people showed support for our goals in > a visible way.) > > There are some things we must refuse to do, because doing them would > put us in a moral contradiction. "Please do X", where doing X requires > running a nonfree program, is one thing we must not say. And we must > not agree to do X ourselves. > > However, to go beyond that can be strategically unwise. To reject > packages simply because the developers release them on GitHub would be > self-defeating. To try to pressure those users to move off GitHub > when we do not _need_ that would create avoidable friction. > > Of course, we won't lead users to download those packages from GitHub. > We will lead users to download them from NonGNU ELPA. Quite the right approach. > By the way, I think the term "GPL-compliant" has a misunderstanding in > it. Strictly speaking, the time when you must comply with the GPL (or > whichever license L) is when you reuse material released under that > license. Thus, a software distribution is GPL-compliant if the > GPL-covered materials in it are used in accord with the GPL. If it is > NOT GPL-compliant, that means it is a GPL violation. > > That is the only valid use of the term "GPL-compliant", and I am > pretty sure it is not what you mean. You are talking about something > done by the developers themselves, so it must be something else. > > Perhaps you mean that the package carries a license compatible with > our license (GPL version 3-or-later). Is that right? That is indeed > something we must insist on. But it does not mean we must insist that > the developers follow all the best practices we recommend, or implore > people to follow. In some way, the license needs to be compatible, or has the ability to re-license for compatibility with Emacs. > > As I understand it, non-GNU ELPA is not supposed to be > > a repository for all other packages where the author doe snot want t= o > > assign copyright to the FSF. It is supposed to be for all other GPL > > compliant packages where the author does not want to assign copyrigh= t to > > the FSF. > > Actually it is not intended as a repository at all. It is a place for > distributing packages, not for developing them. It is more similar > to MELPA, but curated. That's right. > NonGNU ELPA is our plan for distributing to users any and all packages > which we would like to distribute, and for which there is no big > obstacle to our doing so. > > We would like to minimize what we need to ask the developers of those > packages to do for us and with us -- to ask only for what we _need_. > > There are some things we need. For instance, for moral reasons. > > In principle, we CAN include (that is, redistribute) a package even if > it has no developers and is unmaintained. We can say, "Here it is, > use it if you like it, we can't fix it." But we can't tell users to > run a nonfree program to report bugs. Agreed > -- > Dr Richard Stallman > Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) > Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) > Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) > > > >