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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261593 Archived-At: I have used Lyx , but turned to Emacs as it was better to configure. The WYSIWYG is good though. > Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 6:15 PM > From: "Jean Louis" > To: "Arthur Miller" > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars > > * Arthur Miller [2020-12-22 20:53]: > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > > >> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 11:03:04 +0000 > > >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > >> From: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." > > >> > > >> > I've been trying for more than 10 years to urge people to work to= ward > > >> > giving Emacs the document capabilities of a word processor, but I= have > > >> > not convinced people to do this work. > > >> What do you mean by this? I'm probably biased, but I don't see wha= t > > >> important "capability of a word processor" is lacking in Emacs. > > > > Personally I think Emacs is half-wysiwyg, or more then half by now. > > I can print into PDF or Postscript and will get a different font then > on the screen. Good for me as I am fine with my printing, yet it does > not reach What You See Is What You Get paradigm. If I would record > screenshot, that would be only case to get what I see. > > In the Org mode there is Title and Author keywords, so that is far far > from getting what you are seeing. > > If we reach what LyX document processor has reached, the paradigm of > WYSIWYM or What You See Is What You Mean that would be already > enough. That could be reached already now if basic fonts such as > Courier, Roman, Sans Serif, can be mixed and they can > be. > > See: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WYSIWYM > > > > > >