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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261164 Archived-At: > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 at 7:36 AM > From: "Drew Adams" > To: rms@gnu.org > Cc: rpluim@gmail.com, eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Subject: RE: Emacs Survey: Toolbars > > > > > Nothing, except that people have been conditioned to expect that > > > > changes in options get saved automatically, > > > I assume you mean _some_ people. > > > > Would each you please take a deep breath, and respond > > more kindly from now on? > > Would you please take a deep breath? I don't think > there was anything unkind in either what Robert said > or in my reply to him. > > Did you actually read what each of us said? The point > of my emphasis on "some" was elaborated in the rest of > what I said, the point of which was that we can easily > accommodate _both_ expectations of saving automatically > and saving only on demand. That is also my point on toolbar, it is not useless and can support both. The current problem is that the toolbar is attached to the Emacs frame, rather than using another frame. There is also the possibility of dynamic= ally adding a new MenuItem. > I don't even see any disagreement in what we were each > saying. Some people _are_ used to automatic saving, > and we can accommodate that while also giving others > what they expect (which is what we have now). > >