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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260848 Archived-At: It concludes that besides Emacs, writers are the next group of people who = make extensive use of Emacs. One consideration is to improve and enhance tools for write= rs. Special functionality for writers are Org-Mode, Texinfo, Org-Capture, Calendar, Ag= enda, Diary. Whilst the last few are of minor interest to programmers, they have value = for writers. Another area is Accessibility. =2D-------------------- Christopher Dimech General Administrator - Naiad Informatics - GNU Project (Geocomputation) - Geophysical Simulation - Geological Subsurface Mapping - Disaster Preparedness and Mitigation - Natural Resource Exploration and Production - Free Software Advocacy > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 6:30 AM > From: "Lars Ingebrigtsen" > To: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Subject: Emacs Survey: Toolbars > > In that mega thread about modernising Emacs, there was a lot of talk > about getting more data about how people use Emacs, and then... do > something accordingly. > > Behold: https://emacssurvey.org/2020/ > > So here's the first thread about actionable takeaways from the survey. > (Consider all arguments about the survey not being representative as > having been made already.) > > Of 7.3K respondents, 5K disable toolbars, which is more than two > thirds. So perhaps toolbars should default to off? I know toolbars > were all the rage in the 90s, but that's apparently not the case now. > > Opinions? > > -- > (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) > bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no > > >