* law question
@ 2021-05-21 20:59 Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-05-21 21:17 ` Christopher Dimech
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From: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor @ 2021-05-21 20:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-gnu-emacs; +Cc: emacs-devel
What happens if there is a company only when the code gets
released just moments before it is rewritten as FOSS?
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* Re: law question
2021-05-21 20:59 law question Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
@ 2021-05-21 21:17 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-05-21 21:21 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
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From: Christopher Dimech @ 2021-05-21 21:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: moasenwood; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs, emacs-devel
We would need more details, e.g. the original release license. If it is to be free
software the implementation went be different if the two licences are incompatible.
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 8:59 AM
> From: "Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor" <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Subject: law question
>
> What happens if there is a company only when the code gets
> released just moments before it is rewritten as FOSS?
>
> --
> underground experts united
> https://dataswamp.org/~incal
>
>
>
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* Re: law question
2021-05-21 21:17 ` Christopher Dimech
@ 2021-05-21 21:21 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-05-21 21:46 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-05-21 22:34 ` Christopher Dimech
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From: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor @ 2021-05-21 21:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-gnu-emacs; +Cc: emacs-devel
Christopher Dimech wrote:
> We would need more details, e.g. the original release
> license. If it is to be free software the implementation
> went be different if the two licences are incompatible.
Should we assume the worst-case scenario?
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* Re: law question
2021-05-21 21:21 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
@ 2021-05-21 21:46 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-05-21 23:15 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-05-21 22:34 ` Christopher Dimech
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From: Christopher Dimech @ 2021-05-21 21:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: moasenwood; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs, emacs-devel
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 9:21 AM
> From: "Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor" <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: law question
>
> Christopher Dimech wrote:
>
> > We would need more details, e.g. the original release
> > license. If it is to be free software the implementation
> > went be different if the two licences are incompatible.
>
> Should we assume the worst-case scenario?
Only if we cannot get all the required information to decide if we can use the code.
In principle, we should use all legal instruments at our disposal to use the code.
Have discussed with Richard that we customarily introduce cautionary attitudes
without good reason, which forces some to rewrite code for nothing.
> --
> underground experts united
> https://dataswamp.org/~incal
>
>
>
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* Re: law question
2021-05-21 21:46 ` Christopher Dimech
@ 2021-05-21 23:15 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-05-21 23:31 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-05-21 23:56 ` Christopher Dimech
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From: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor @ 2021-05-21 23:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-gnu-emacs; +Cc: emacs-devel
Christopher Dimech wrote:
>> Should we assume the worst-case scenario?
>
> Only if we cannot get all the required information to decide
> if we can use the code.
Right, do you also happen to know what precedents there are?
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* law question
2021-05-21 23:15 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
@ 2021-05-21 23:31 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-05-21 23:56 ` Christopher Dimech
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From: Christopher Dimech @ 2021-05-21 23:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: moasenwood; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs, emacs-devel
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 11:15 AM
> From: "Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor" <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: law question
>
> Christopher Dimech wrote:
>
> >> Should we assume the worst-case scenario?
> >
> > Only if we cannot get all the required information to decide
> > if we can use the code.
>
> Right, do you also happen to know what precedents there are?
Precedents in regards to what aspects?
> --
> underground experts united
> https://dataswamp.org/~incal
>
>
>
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* law question
2021-05-21 23:15 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-05-21 23:31 ` Christopher Dimech
@ 2021-05-21 23:56 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-05-22 0:12 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Christopher Dimech @ 2021-05-21 23:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: moasenwood; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs, emacs-devel
The GPL was found to be an enforceable set of copyright terms (a license) in
Jacobsen v. Katzer. What has changed now is that for the purposes of the court,
the GPL is both a license, which can be enforced through a claim of copyright
infringement, and a contract, which can be enforced through a claim of breach
of contract (Artifex v. Hancom). You can allege both in your court claim in a
single case, and fall back on one if you can’t prove the other. Thus, the potential
to enforce the GPL in court is very strong.
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 11:15 AM
> From: "Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor" <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: law question
>
> Christopher Dimech wrote:
>
> >> Should we assume the worst-case scenario?
> >
> > Only if we cannot get all the required information to decide
> > if we can use the code.
>
> Right, do you also happen to know what precedents there are?
>
> --
> underground experts united
> https://dataswamp.org/~incal
>
>
>
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* Re: law question
2021-05-21 23:56 ` Christopher Dimech
@ 2021-05-22 0:12 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor @ 2021-05-22 0:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-gnu-emacs; +Cc: emacs-devel
Christopher Dimech wrote:
> The GPL was found to be an enforceable set of copyright
> terms (a license) in Jacobsen v. Katzer. What has changed
> now is that for the purposes of the court, the GPL is both
> a license, which can be enforced through a claim of
> copyright infringement, and a contract, which can be
> enforced through a claim of breach of contract (Artifex v.
> Hancom). You can allege both in your court claim in a single
> case, and fall back on one if you can’t prove the other.
> Thus, the potential to enforce the GPL in court is
> very strong.
Case closed! :)
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* Re: law question
2021-05-21 21:21 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-05-21 21:46 ` Christopher Dimech
@ 2021-05-21 22:34 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-05-22 6:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Christopher Dimech @ 2021-05-21 22:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: moasenwood; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs, emacs-devel
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 9:21 AM
> From: "Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor" <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: law question
>
> Christopher Dimech wrote:
>
> > We would need more details, e.g. the original release
> > license. If it is to be free software the implementation
> > went be different if the two licences are incompatible.
>
> Should we assume the worst-case scenario?
You could ask for a disclaimer of rights from said company. What license was
it released under?
> --
> underground experts united
> https://dataswamp.org/~incal
>
>
>
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* Re: law question
2021-05-21 22:34 ` Christopher Dimech
@ 2021-05-22 6:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-05-22 6:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Christopher Dimech; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs, moasenwood, emacs-devel
> From: Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com>
> Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 00:34:12 +0200
> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 9:21 AM
> > From: "Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor" <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> > To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> > Subject: Re: law question
> >
> > Christopher Dimech wrote:
> >
> > > We would need more details, e.g. the original release
> > > license. If it is to be free software the implementation
> > > went be different if the two licences are incompatible.
> >
> > Should we assume the worst-case scenario?
>
> You could ask for a disclaimer of rights from said company. What license was
> it released under?
Could you guys please take this thread elsewhere? It has nothing to
do with Emacs per se, neither with its development nor with helping
its users. Moving the discussion to emacs-tangents sounds like a good
idea to me.
TIA
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