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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261304 Archived-At: > Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 9:53 AM > From: "Adrien Brochard" > To: "Jean Louis" , emacs-devel@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars > > > Majority of users for the survey, if I remember well, came from > > Reddit. There was description where it was marketed mostly. > > > > Thus survey is not general Emacs survey, it is survey of mostly Reddit > > users who may be or probably are more skillful. > > What makes you think that people coming from the Reddit channel are more > skillful? If someone googles an Emacs question, getting directed to > r/emacs and finding the survey there is pretty likely. > > > If it would be general Emacs survey with general group of users mixed > > with beginners, intermediate and advanced users and they all say by > > majority they need no tool bar that would be valid information. > > > > It looks that it is just specific group of more than intermediate > > users of Emacs that disable toolbar. > > You guys should look into weighting adjustment of the data if you think > a population is over-represented. Shitty data obtained without care, attention, and skill is useless data. = Forget the weighting!